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Ser Ferdinand
#21 Posted : 1/29/2017 11:59:44 PM

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syberdelic wrote:
180g MHRB would be roughly 90mg DMT which is a pretty hefty oral dose. One of the reasons MHRB is so popular is consistency at 0.05%.
180g x 0.0005 = 0.09g

That doesn't have to be a case. My bark produces around 250mg of dmt on 20g of MHRB.
It can get even bigger in DMT percentage. It means he could have consumed around 200mg of DMT which is REALLY high dose for the first time.
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#22 Posted : 1/30/2017 12:29:45 AM

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'REALLY high dose for the first time'???

With all respect, but I cannot imagine
what one could spiritually experience
while under such heavy body load.

... just curious.

Yeah, without the body load yes, but what then
would create the consciousness?

Btw:
Would any other form of consuming DMT,
apart from smoking, enable one to experience
the so called 'break through'?
 
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#23 Posted : 1/30/2017 2:57:26 PM
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ringen00 wrote:
'REALLY high dose for the first time'???

With all respect, but I cannot imagine
what one could spiritually experience
while under such heavy body load.

... just curious.

Yeah, without the body load yes, but what then
would create the consciousness?

Btw:
Would any other form of consuming DMT,
apart from smoking, enable one to experience
the so called 'break through'?


Keep in mind it's not the DMT that is causing physical distress.

(You also must consider the quality of your plant sources)

Reduce the dose of your harmala alkaloids, don't use more than 3g PHS, the peganum harmala seeds are added to inhibit an enzyme in your body which destroys the DMT before it can get into your system, using more than 3g shouldn't make much difference as far as mono amine oxidase inhibition, but it will make a difference in terms of physical distress.

I have had some amazing ayahuasca analogue experiences.

Again, try cutting way down on your harmala alkaloids in your brew while keeping the DMT dose high, use egg whites to remove tannins, reduce your drink to a single gulp of liquid, take it like a shot of alcohol, exhale to the side, then pour the liquid into the back of your throat swallowing immediately, then try not to vomit for at least 25 minutes...

You could eat 3g of PHS, wait 15 minutes, then drink a brew of just MHRB.

you could extract the DMT free-base, and eat it in combination with an alternitive (often pharmaceutical) MAOI source (pharmahuasca)

You can insufflate DMT extract.

Though In my opinion, smoking is the the best route of consumption.

had I not smoked prior to experimenting with ayahuasca, I could imagine ayahuasca would have been quite frustrating, as often you must make several attempts before obtaining the experience you want. I have seen groups of people where a few where very psychedelically effected, while others felt nothing, all from the same brew... Some groups in the Amazon will consume the brew every night for an entire week...to put it in the shortest possible terminology, it's something you must get to know, and build a relationship with.

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#24 Posted : 1/30/2017 7:31:59 PM

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I must be getting some bunk MHRB, but consistently bunk. My chemistry background is most definitely solid enough for A/B + re-x. I remember reading many many years ago the 0.5% spec before doing my first extraction and when I was consistently pulling 4.5-4.8g/kg, I figured that I had hit the nail on the head.
 
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#25 Posted : 1/30/2017 9:26:34 PM

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Thanks entheogenic-gnosis!

Please correct me:

Anahuasca:
- could experiment with 3g PHS and 2-3g MHRB
- extracting both powders in water
for at least 3 hours with citron or vinegar
- use egg whites to remove tannins from MHRB
- reduce the drinks (because I don't feel like eating the PHS)
to a really small volume of liquids (half a glass max - like liquor)
- taking both drinks on empty stomach vomiting is still appreciated but less ugly
with less volume
- nausea isn't to be expected cause less
PHS and tannins

How can I get rid of the ugly taste after vomiting?
I mean the MAOI forces me to a diet...

I guess with Anahuasca there is no 'breakthrough experience'
possible. (Not that this is my only goal!)
In higher doses the DMT will more likely lead
into a serotonin syndrome?

Although I now feel saver and gained much more
knowledge about Anahuasca I next would like to
experiment with pure DMT (freebase?).
I hope when smoking it should be easier to get
in contact with DMT only and even dosing could be
easier too! I don't want to extract in on my own
although it's harder to get.
I know I can use PHS again in this scenario
to revive a longer trip.
Is there anything I should be careful about?
Did I forget something?

Finally I'm searching for a grounded and somewhat
solid and simple method to make Pharmahuasca.
Hoping to avoid vomiting and nausea completely
while still being able to prolong the trip.
Read something about just mixing DMT (free-base)
with Coca-Cola. :-)











 
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#26 Posted : 1/31/2017 9:16:18 AM

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syberdelic wrote:
I must be getting some bunk MHRB, but consistently bunk. My chemistry background is most definitely solid enough for A/B + re-x. I remember reading many many years ago the 0.5% spec before doing my first extraction and when I was consistently pulling 4.5-4.8g/kg, I figured that I had hit the nail on the head.



1.5% to 2% is standard for MHRB -- sometimes up to 3%, read these tek threads

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=44707

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...d_ATB_'Salt'_Tek

even lazyman tek should get you 1.5%

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Lazyman's_tek
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Hate cannot banish hate, only love can do that.
 
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#27 Posted : 1/31/2017 4:09:04 PM
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ringen00 wrote:
Thanks entheogenic-gnosis!

Please correct me:

Anahuasca:
- could experiment with 3g PHS and 2-3g MHRB
- extracting both powders in water
for at least 3 hours with citron or vinegar
- use egg whites to remove tannins from MHRB
- reduce the drinks (because I don't feel like eating the PHS)
to a really small volume of liquids (half a glass max - like liquor)
- taking both drinks on empty stomach vomiting is still appreciated but less ugly
with less volume
- nausea isn't to be expected cause less
PHS and tannins

How can I get rid of the ugly taste after vomiting?
I mean the MAOI forces me to a diet...

I guess with Anahuasca there is no 'breakthrough experience'
possible. (Not that this is my only goal!)
In higher doses the DMT will more likely lead
into a serotonin syndrome?

Although I now feel saver and gained much more
knowledge about Anahuasca I next would like to
experiment with pure DMT (freebase?).
I hope when smoking it should be easier to get
in contact with DMT only and even dosing could be
easier too! I don't want to extract in on my own
although it's harder to get.
I know I can use PHS again in this scenario
to revive a longer trip.
Is there anything I should be careful about?
Did I forget something?

Finally I'm searching for a grounded and somewhat
solid and simple method to make Pharmahuasca.
Hoping to avoid vomiting and nausea completely
while still being able to prolong the trip.
Read something about just mixing DMT (free-base)
with Coca-Cola. :-)




DMT free-base and coca cola? Why?

I've read about an individual using cola as a replacement for water in an ayahuasca brew, however, it was not a replacement for an MAOI, I think it was a flavor thing, or related to phosphoric acid, and had nothing to do with an MAOI.

A break-through experience most definantly is possible through ayahuasca and ayahuasca analogues, but again, you have to have quality plants, and you have to prepare and consume them properly.

The DMT will not induce serotonin syndrome.

Are you sure you have the proper plants? And what ratios are you using?

*How are you preparing these brews?*

Body load has never been enough of a deterrent to keep me from consuming ayahuasca, honestly for me it's never even that bad, and occasionally I may purge, but it's not "bad" feeling, in my mind is completely tolerable, and the psychedelia that comes along with it is indescribable, absolutely amazing.

Don't write off ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogues, be sure you have the proper plants, be sure they are quality, and be sure you are preparing and consuming them properly

Honestly, it sounds like smoking DMT freebase is you best bet, don't worry about extending the experience, it probably won't be something you would want to extend any way. Extraction is simple, and while learning the extraction process you also learn the molecule and it's properties.





Below is an account regarding peganum harmala seeds and Acacia phlebophylla, sections of it were published in TIHKAL, I did not post the whole report due to its length, but was wondering if you could relate to it in any way...

Quote:
At 2:15am on Saturday morning I injested (rather quickly) a heaped teaspoon of ground harmala seeds, and flushed it down with water. 10 minutes later, I drank a cup full of the ayahuasca brew, also rather quickly. 15 minutes later, things got really, really _wierd_.

The three of us were sitting in the front room at my house. I had recently changed this room. It's where we kept a spare matress and all my music gear, and it was the furthest room from where my girlfriend was trying to sleep. I was told to get comfortable, so I brought in a bean bag from the living room, and I lay on that.

I was on the bean bag, describing a dull cramp in my stomach to Nick and Chris. I glanced over to the curtains, which are a see-thru material with a floral pattern. They started moving. The flowers on the curtains seemed as though they were at a different distance from the material itself. They looked different, almost brighter. The venetian blinds behind the curtains were breathing. My homemade speakers (made of chipboard) changed. I noticed that every single object in the room was made up of one colour only. Nick pointed out that this is 'normal', that all objects seem to have all imperfections removed, so that the chipboard seemed like Laminex. There was no shading, no shadows, no scratches, no texture. Just a single colour for every single object.

The flowers on the curtains were shimmering, the curtains started breathing, and then they flowed down, onto the floor, just like the smoke from a spilt bottle of liquid nitrogen flows down stairs. The colour changes remained until the Closed Eye Visuals (CEV) started.

I felt as though this was about as much as I could handle at that moment, and if that trip stopped there and then I would have heaps to talk about. But no...

I felt vaguely nauseous, and I didn't want to throw up later because I didn't know what to expect; my expectations were exceeded even at this early stage through the trip (about 5 minutes since onset). I forced myself to throw up into a clear Tupperware container thing. I was very comfortable at the start of the trip, now my surrounding were uncomfortable, alien. I fell onto the floor (in a silly attempt to become more comfortable), and asked the guys if the bucket had been tipped. I was beginning to hallucinate strongly, and was unsure what was a CEV and what was an Open Eye Visual (OEV). I began to feel as though I'd lost my body, I didn't know what it was doing at that time. I felt some bowel movement, and asked if I'd defaecated. I was still ok, according to the guys, but I thought it'd probably be best if I went to the toilet, 'just in case'.

Things went up a level, it was no longer my house I was in. Everything felt wierd, I was walking down some hallway thingy but I didn't know where any of the doors led to. Someone must've got to the bathroom before me because the light was on, and I went in there. I was now experiencing full on hallucinations, but I didn't think it was a case of bad timing and didn't attempt to abort the toilet visit. I had no sense of time at all.

The bathroom certainly wasn't mine. Yes, there was a basin and a bath, and there was also a strange door that someone opened for me. I was only very vaguely aware that I had to do something here. The hallucinations were pretty heavy before I sat down, somehow I managed to unzip myself and to drop my trousers, and sit down. Then the universe changed...

I left my body sitting on the toilet and was thrown into a universe where nothing seemed to make any sense. The CEVs were absolutely outstanding, freeforming, morphing from one complex scene to another. I went through huge sliding doors, traveled in space vehicles, saw incredibly complex and insane roads and highways, floating through a space I could never fully describe. Beings were present, grey munchkin like things with yellow stripes, and there were snake objects too. And especially eyes. Peeking out of every bend in the road, off every snake, under every door. They didn't frighten me, I was just curious to know what they all were doing, and what they all were seeing.

These visuals came on with such an incredible intensity it was simply neuronically impossible to process all of them. I remember thinking that nothing made sense, so I must've analysed these images at one point, although I can never remember specifically doing so. The colours for the CEVs remained the same throughout all of the trip; striking pinks, grey, vivid yellows, deep dark blues, purple, red. All tones had terrific contrast. There were no 'boring colours', as I later described to Nick and Chris. Colours seemed to be like some wierd arcade game.

My 'field of vision' had significantly changed too. When in a normal state, you can usually only look at one thing at a time. (for all you mathematitians out there, a rather small number of steradians make up your major cone of vision). During periods of CEVs, my field of vision became an entire hemisphere, and my body (rather, my being) became a point in this crazy universe. The point didn't have a body, it just floated around in this virtual brainspace. (and I had a field of vision of 2*pi steradians!!) I could accept input from this hemisphere, but there was no way I could ever come close to processing it, it was just too fast, too complex, and too intense.

In the meantime, my body was trying to have a shit. I don't know if that eventually happened, but I thought I'd give myself a wipe anyway. As I turned to go to where I thought the toilet paper was (I'd opened my eyes at this stage, the CEVs were simply too intense to comprehend, so I thought I'd go back to them at a later time, and I wanted to see if I could make any sense, to try and to work out where I was, I was so disorientated...) I glanced at our Valhalla poster. What a mess! There were these letter things all over it, and I could see the words, but I couldn't read. I couldn't attach any meaning to the lettery things. I decided not to press that issue any further, so I kept turning towards the toilet paper (on my right. On the left was the Valhalla poster). Directly in front of me, however, was a blank, white wall. I stared at this for a while, and had some hallucination that I could never remember. I finally got to the toilet paper, but couldn't find the end of the roll. I grabbed at the paper, clawing at it, but it felt like smoke. I eventually managed to grab a fistful, and looking down at my hand, I couldn't see anything, but I knew I had the paper...

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1769




As for brewing, this is a very quick, very basic description, I really don't have the time or patience to go into detail here as instructions for brewing are found in multiple locations of this site:

·Powder plant material in coffee grinder (3-4g PHS ; 7-12g MHRB )
·Place in boiling dish
·Add water (citric acid or acetic acid is optional)
·Boil 3 hours
·Filter
·Place filtrates in clean dish and set aside
·Return filter-cake to initial boiling vessel
·Add water (and fresh acid) to filter-cake in initial vessel
·Boil 3 hours
·Filter
·Add filtrate to the filtrate from first boil
·Return filter cake to initial boiling vessel
·Repeat one more time
·Take the combined filtrates and reduce them to a reasonable volume.


-eg
 
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#28 Posted : 2/8/2017 11:07:24 AM

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Just smoked 6g DMT in a meth pipe.
Very clear come up - liked it a lot! :-)
The taste got uglier the second time -
I guess I burned it.
Need to improve my smoking technique...
Ordered PHS + MHRB.
(always nice to have some in my ice box)

Thanks for your recipe!
 
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#29 Posted : 2/8/2017 6:48:12 PM

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ringen00 wrote:
Just smoked 6g DMT in a meth pipe.
Very clear come up - liked it a lot! :-)
The taste got uglier the second time -
I guess I burned it.
Need to improve my smoking technique...
Ordered PHS + MHRB.
(always nice to have some in my ice box)

Thanks for your recipe!


Tell me that's a typo. "6g DMT" vaporized?
Beyond that being a gargantuan dose, I'm just trying to imagine the state that would leave ones airways in.
 
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#30 Posted : 2/8/2017 7:37:01 PM

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Typo! Sorry :-)
6mg
 
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#31 Posted : 2/9/2017 2:54:00 PM
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ringen00 wrote:
Typo! Sorry :-)
6mg


6mgs...Interesting...

25mgs seems to be the threshold dose, and this is generally through IV or IM administration.

If you are incredibly efficient with your vaporization techniques 30mgs can be sufficient...

however for most I would say 30-100mgs is the accepted dose range...

I can't imagine 6mgs doing much of anything.

Keep in mind that on a digital scale that 0.6g = 600mgs

-eg
 
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#32 Posted : 2/9/2017 4:50:16 PM

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Wow, seems pretty hopeless in my case and
the more I'm thankful for your concerns!
So it must have been 60mg.
0,06g
 
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#33 Posted : 2/9/2017 4:55:43 PM
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60mgs sounds on par.

I know a good deal of people that have trouble figuring out milligrams from the digital scale, it's really nothing to be ashamed of, though it's crucial to gain an understanding here so you can properly dose yourself.

-eg
 
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#34 Posted : 2/9/2017 5:03:45 PM

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And yesterday I gave myself 160mg Ketamine
thinking it would be 16!

Expected some giggling and found whoever in
K-hole...

Definitely must be careful and learn my lessons!
 
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#35 Posted : 2/9/2017 7:39:50 PM

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There seems to be a pretty wide variance in dosage from person to person and completely non-linear too. I can have a very pleasant and mild experience from 10mg (vaporized), but if I want to jump into hyperspace, I have to push over 80mg. 50-60mg is a pretty intense experience but reality is still holding on firmly enough to keep me tethered albiet loosely.
 
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)-: just wasted the rest of my DMT by
trying to put a layer of damiana ashes
underneath the DMT.
Using a meth pipe the damiana ashes were
flowing through the pipe every now and then
constantly disturbing the smoke.

It probably was too dark too so I couldn't see
well enough if there was smoke arising or not.

Can someone please give me advice on how
to handle this technique?
Or recommend a tutorial on how to build
'The Machine'?

I sort of hate wasting the stuff!
Don't like seeing the smoke escaping
already through the hole.
Apart of that I find it hard to constantly
twist and turn the pipe so the DMT doesn't
get burned.

In my bag should have been 150mg DMT.
Last time I used 60mg - today the rest.
Took some time to get it all out of the bag!
Did I just waste 90mg? Can't believe it...
My balance weighs up to 200g and looks like this:
0,00 - and although I calibrated it after putting
a piece of paper onto it, it didn't show anything
after I put the rest DMT onto it...

Bit frustrating evening ... :-(
 
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ringen00 wrote:
And yesterday I gave myself 160mg Ketamine
thinking it would be 16!

Expected some giggling and found whoever in
K-hole...

Definitely must be careful and learn my lessons!


Man, please learn how to read the scale properly, before you kill yourself with some drug, that is not so forgiving as DMT or Ketamine Neutral
 
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Your right! I definitely should!
Last time it was calculating with percentages
and this time it's been the scale of my balance...
 
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ringen00 wrote:
)-:

Can someone please give me advice on how
to handle this technique?
Or recommend a tutorial on how to build
'The Machine'?

(


I use something like this for smoking DMT -



 
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Thanks! Isn't the DMT, once it melted, dropping out
if the open end?
 
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