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universecannon
#1 Posted : 1/10/2017 7:32:03 AM



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I eat copious amounts of avos and never have any issues but YMMV. What else are you eating and what are your doses/ amountalike? How long before dosing are you eating? How many times has this happened? Some report it happened to them many times at first until they moved past that cleansing period



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pitubo
#2 Posted : 1/13/2017 1:43:57 PM

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I can't add much wisdom about the avocados specifically, but I will say that it is important to have a fully cleared upper digestive tract before ingesting harmalas.

syberdelic wrote:
This "sick" tripping is valuable but accompanied by an unhealthy amount of distress. I have enough (tons) of experience with other psychedelics including freebase DMT to be able to see how this is keeping me from enjoying or pulling more value from the experience.

Perhaps you need to work with harmalas alone for a while, to discover your response to varying doses and to get used to the physical symptoms that seem to be a more or less unavoidable part of the harmala experience. Some amount of conditioning and desensitizing may help to tone down the nausea into a less obnoxious feeling of a bloated gut.

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I will be experimenting with harmine dose and timing, but for the moment food is simply introducing too many variables for too high a price but I'm still curious about the avocado thing since there is so much conflicting information.

I strongly advise to try ingesting dmt and harmala extracts together. Not doing so is in my experience less effective. Not combining wastes dmt and requires higher doses of harmalas, with higher associated physical discomfort levels.

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My suspicion is that I either need to lower the harmine dose as I might have a high sensitivity or that The DMT is acting as a strong agonist to the 5-HT3 receptors and that I need to dose with a 5-HT3 antagonist such as lemon balm, ginger, peppermint, etc.

Careful and controlled experimentation is a good thing. Please report back on your endeavors and results.
 
JustAnotherHuman
#3 Posted : 1/13/2017 9:07:24 PM

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syberdelic wrote:
I just got back from an urgent care and have learned that I may have kidney stones. I had some severe abdominal pain last night and this morning. The same pain was experienced in the jungle a couple days after taking ayahuasca. I don't currently have insurance, so further diagnostics will have to wait, but what is known is that I have small amounts of blood in my urine so there is definitely something going on that could likely be exacerbated by x-huasca experiences.
At any rate, any further experimentation will have to wait until I get things cleared up.


That sucks man, hope you get better soon.
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pitubo
#4 Posted : 1/13/2017 11:50:01 PM

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Take care. Hope you get well soon!
 
dragonrider
#5 Posted : 1/14/2017 8:08:20 PM

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Avocado's, when they get old, contain more tyramine. With fruits and vegetabels it's a general rule that, the riper, the more tyramine they contain.

Drinking tea helps against kidney stones, but it may temporarilly worsen the pain. Tea helps to dissolve kidney stones, but when kidney stones dissolve, small pieces may end up in the urinary tract wich can be incredibly painfull.
 
dragonrider
#6 Posted : 1/14/2017 8:13:12 PM

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dragonrider wrote:
Avocado's, when they get old, contain more tyramine. With fruits and vegetabels it's a general rule that, the riper, the more tyramine they contain.

Drinking tea helps against kidney stones, but it may temporarilly worsen the pain. Tea helps to dissolve kidney stones, but when kidney stones dissolve, small pieces may end up in the urinary tract wich can be incredibly painfull.

btw, it's the tannins in tea that helps kidney stones to dissolve. Ayahuasca generally contains a lot of tannins as well. Maybe the ayahuasca made the stones smaller, so they DID end up in your urinary tract.
 
 
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