Hibiscus is amazing with ayahuasca. Even if I take it with rue only or with caapi it produces visions. Originally, the first time I tried hibiscus and aya was at a ceremony, and my friend had brought a huge jug of hibiscus tea, which she shared with me. And for the past for days I've been taking a tincture I made with harmal, and yesterday I took hibiscus with it along with Yerba Santa, to work on my 2nd chakra, and an interesting experience.

Another positive thing about hibiscus as it relates to ayahuasca, is that it transmutes the taste, the taste is transformed into something different, much easier to stomach.

Right now I'm making a brew with Syrian rue, home grown chacruna, yaupon and hibiscus. I post an update after I consume.

What kind was it? The (cold drink) one, the thick fleshy sepal one we call karkadé (كركديه‎‎)?

Hmm, i sometimes drink hibiscus tea. It has a nice taste, realy refreshing. But hibiscus is very rich in tannins as well, so too much probably makes it harder for the stomach. Tannins are a mild MAOI, so maybe that explains the effects you felt.

Just the dried flowers.

So the brew was pretty good, I actually entered a state best discribed as some sort of tantric meditation, where I was in a trance, and kundalini energy just kept shooting up over and over again.

Good tip! I bet the flowers would work nicely in Changa too!

Btw, hibiscus allows you to access the language center of the mind somehow. It can show you the inner workings of the matrix of control and fear that's built by the false personality as we grow up and into adulthood, at least in my experience.

How true is this really? Hibiscus is a nice plant to consume but this statement befuddles me. Hibiscus is beneficial for its health and well-being promoting effects but how is hibiscus interacting with the language center of the brain other then what ayahuasca is already doing?

In most of my experiences with hibiscus sabdariffa there was some mild psychedelic activity with cannabis mixed but not much on its own.

Worth a shot, surely?

Fascinating quote. Meditation and hibiscus definitely has a synergy.

Hibiscus is a large genus, ranging from shrubs to large trees.

Red hibiscus flower as used in Durga/Ganesh puja. These are not the same as the hibiscus commonly sold as tea.


Hibiscus sabdariffa as (commonly) used in tea (...the flowers themselves are not used for tea)


Instead the jester hat loike calyces are used for tea and sharbat....

Idk how true it is for anyone else, but ive had had some interesting experiences with hibiscus in this regard

That's another thing, it's amazing for the root chakra as well

Perhaps we should not yet find out which one was being talked about???[/quote]

I was referring to the red variety commonly sold as an an herb in the US. Although I've noticed a white one growing along the river by my house. Perhaps I'll take a walk and collect some this morning.

If the bits get rather fleshy after soaking/boiling, then it is the jester roselle. Given the amount of magnesium and its natural acidity and vitamin C, perhaps some sort of harmaline to THH reduction could be going on? We shall try it with rue alone....

So did you try it with the rue?

not yet Bundleflower, still waiting for a right moment

if hibiscus contained Metallic magnesium, it would indeed make an interesting changa addition
The THH conversion might be produced by the vitamin C, at a push.

It might be worth considering how hibiscus interacts with the cytochrome P450 metabolic enzyme systems, amongst others.

All that considered, I'll be taking another look at hibiscus myself. Years ago I got snobbishly bored of generic 'fruit teas' based on hibiscus and flavouring. Seems like I threw out the baba with the bathwater

There's definately something with hibiscus, even just taken alone. When I said it had some kind of effect on the language center of my mind, at that time I was in a really strange place mentally. I had met a girl maybe a year before hand, and my interaction with her led to my heart chakra opening, and then in short order all of my chakras opened. By that point my mind was resisting all of this, so on the one hand, I was feeling all of this divine energy, and on the other, my mind was overactive trying to put labels on everything I was experiencing, which led to quite crazy things happening. My mind was in such disorder that I really didn't know what was going on. It seemed as my mind had been taken over by an evil entity dead set on driving me insane. One day during this period, which was about a year ago, I drank some hibiscus tea, and what happened was, all of the thoughts I was having suddenly became visual, I could see them as words. Hibiscus sort of showed me how to deconstruct the entire matrix of these thoughts, although I soon forgot how again. But I think it's interesting.

So, I found a reasonably nice hibiscus-based fruit tea in my tea cupboard and have been having a cup or two each day while remaining open and mindful. There is something to it as you say but given the citrus peel content and my non-standard enzyme profile, it'll be better to compare some pure hibiscus once obtained.

That said, it does feel very grounding and brings a reality back to my sometimes slightly depersonalised world, straightening out the sometimes crazy-making states of cognition to which I subject myself!