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#1 Posted : 9/3/2016 12:36:30 PM

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What do you define as sentient?

I believe animals and plants come under this category, they begin and end life like we do and grow to mature, get old, die, also like us. I think this is also true of innate objects, rocks, water, earth and the sun, their life spans just overshadow ours somewhat, but they too will die.

On a theological note, if all creation extends from Allah, the Tao, Adonai, God... would not every aspect of creation have divinity?

I know a lot of older cultures extended the definition of sentience to encompass a variety of things. Japan is one such culture that still has a spiritual connection to trees, mountains and animals.


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#2 Posted : 9/3/2016 3:30:27 PM
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I don't believe that consciousness is localized within a human being or animal or bug (meaning being generated from); I think consciousness/Mind/God/Infinite/Eternity/Self/Awareness/Dream to be a innate attribute to the whole of life.

[Insert label] is everywhere. It's all [insert label here].

Psychedelics for me put me in direct confrontation with [insert label]. Nothing more, nothing less.

All is [insert label].

All flows from and back to the infinite.
 
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#3 Posted : 9/3/2016 5:08:43 PM

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Tattvamasi wrote:
I don't believe that consciousness is localized within a human being or animal or bug (meaning being generated from); I think consciousness/Mind/God/Infinite/Eternity/Self/Awareness/Dream to be a innate attribute to the whole of life.

[Insert label] is everywhere. It's all [insert label here].

Psychedelics for me put me in direct confrontation with [insert label]. Nothing more, nothing less.

All is [insert label].

All flows from and back to the infinite.


And even science is moving away from the idea of a 3D universe plus time in which little bits of material can somehow manifest consciousness. A great place to look is at the SAND (Science and Non Duality) talks on youtube where a whole host of scientists are working towards consciousness being the basis of all and the manifestation of space/time simply being artificial properties of interpretation.

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#4 Posted : 9/3/2016 8:48:05 PM

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NotTwo wrote:
And even science is moving away from the idea of a 3D universe plus time in which little bits of material can somehow manifest consciousness.

Science is always looking for better hypothesizes, also science never states something as a set fact.

In the area you mention I did not see anything revolutionary recently. I also fail to see where science puts a '3D universe plus time' in a set model that is accepted as reality, I might have missed that incredible revolution in science?


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#5 Posted : 9/4/2016 9:32:50 AM

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The Traveler wrote:
In the area you mention I did not see anything revolutionary recently. I also fail to see where science puts a '3D universe plus time' in a set model that is accepted as reality, I might have missed that incredible revolution in science?

Don't think I mentioned any revolution, Traveler, just that "a whole host of scientists are working towards consciousness being the basis of all".

A great talk to watch:
How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5Alpq0YLM
from one of the SAND conferences.
But there are many more there to explore.

There is a definite shift in much of this research from matter being primary to consciousness being primary. Obviously many of the older traditions, such as Vedanta/Buddhism/Advaita, have this as the core teaching but interesting that science seems to have been forced in this direction too.
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