People that know about stuff are there too.

But just like on any other festival/party you find bad people trying to sell anything for money too. I never went to a party like this. Thats true. But from people that I know it seems like that theres lots of shady drugging around in my corner of the world. I gave my test kit to a party goer and the only drug he got was cocaine and one unknown white powder.
Also the person that I know is an idiot and not even a friend of mine. He is totally dumb when its about drugs.
He mixes hard alcohol with MDMA and Cocaine even though I warned him not to do it.

And where is the specualtion in my post? RCs are rampant in my country. Even stuff like the artifical THC/Weed "Spice" is not a rartity even though its not even legal anymore.

It might be speculation that you find RC there. But if you find them even at the "normal" clubs I went to you can bet that there are some there because there you can be sure to find people seeking LSD MDMA and more at Psychedelic partys.
Im also not saying that all RC are bad, im just saying that there are people selling stuff thats not what they say it is.

And I myself would like to go to such a party too.

But dont let this thread turn into an argument about how the partys are different at your place and more.
Its about the dmt nexus art being stolen.

Honestly, I think the use of the mudras is more frustrating than our nexus background. We've got a great theme, it's a credit to the artist who designed it (Trav?).

Those mudras though. I bet the average attendee probably could tell you the Bhūmisparśa Mudrā from the Dharmachakra Mudrā.



Blessings
~ND

That's hilarious.

That particular image was made by deadaloops.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Someone has seen the site or is a member, thought the banner looked cool and although i think that it would have been good form to ask, if it was my art being used i would feel quite flattered. As for kids taking drugs at parties,,,,,we all have to start somewhere.

Psytrance isn't really my thing but i have been to quite a few of those kinds of events and they have been fairly safe places with a switched on crowd. Having said that my sorties were about 20 years ago were, barring the odd dodgy pill, usually the drugs that were flying about did what they what they said on the tin.

Would the appropriation have been more acceptable if the event was a free party and how do we not know that Deadaloops isn't involved in hosting this event?

As for the mudras, i am guilty of not knowing what they are are but maybe the organisers of this party do understand their meaning. If i don't know what the mudras are should i avoid attending this event? Also would anyone be moaning if they put a picture of Terrence Mckenna or a popular picture of visionary art. Loads of members appropriate these kinds of things for their avatars. Is there a line drawn in the sand where it is and isn't appropriate to appropriate something?

I think there is a line when you aim to financially gain from someone elses work/creativity with neither consent nor credit.

Maybe consent was given, maybe the artists is involved in the event. I have no idea so I'm staying out of commenting directly on this case.

to hug46;
plagiarism/piracy of digital art frankly sucks. If this is a poster for a commercialized event especially, it's extremely unprofessional to have directly copy and pasted the image as the main focus of the flyer, not to mention while still including the word DMT brazenly embroidered on the main strip. Who knows what quantity of printed flyers exists .. to display a controlled substance by name on a commercial event's posting is incredibly stupid and inviting to sabotage

If the commercial success of this event was solely reliant on the flyer design i would be 100% down with what you are saying but most of the people who are interested in attending on the facebook page are commenting on the good musical line up. It's not like they are selling the flyers. Also this looks like a relatively small underground event where a high profit is probably not on the cards. If it was a masive event like boom i would, again, be more inclined to agree.

Since the 1960s other peoples art has been stolen for event flyers. A good example being the Harvey Ross Ball smiley face that Danny Rampling used on his flyers for shoom (an acid house/ balaeric clubnight in london in the 1980s) and now you can't look at a smiley without thinking about acid house ( well i can't anyway). Maybe this flyer is just an indication that the Nexus is becoming a part of the psychedelic zeitgeist.

If Deadaloops posted a reply stating disgust at the theft of his or her art then i would fall into line with everyone else.
.
Edit.... i wonder how many members download or share music, films and other artforms without recompense to the original artist. Let he/she who hath no sin cast the first stone. And while we are all having a good old moan maybe we should call out anyone who has released a piece of music that uses uncleared samples on it.....

All good points and well received. Would still be nice to give the artist credit or get approval, if you are part of a small community where the artists is around. Like I say, this may well be the case I have no idea.

As an interesting aside I'm not sure you can associate the smiley with Shoom and Rampling specifically. I know they used it for the O in shoom but I'm not sure Bomb The Bass didn't use it first (genuinely not sure).

More specifically though that smiley has been used and associated with psychedelic culture in the UK since the 70s

here's some posters for the windsor free festival in'78






I think the acid house appropriation of the smiley was just an extension of a psychedelic culture icon that had been prevalent for a long time.

Being oop north it was always the nights run by the nightmares on wax crew for us in those days.

This is pretty much my point of view.

If I was concerned about people downloading my art, I wouldn't put it online without covering it in watermarks. To the contrary, I put it out there because I want it to be seen and enjoyed. But there is a world of difference between downloading something for personal appreciation and appropriating it for publication and commercial gain (and then trying to pass it off as your own).

I'd feel the same way if I was Alex Grey or James Brown. I made the thing, it's mine. If you want to sample it, alter it, use it for your acid party... the answer is probably no. And if you do it without my consent, we're going to have problems. Because I want my art seen in the context I intended, not cut & pasted as part of some shitty mash up by someone who lacks the skills or drive to make something of their own. I've experienced this in the recent past, and for the life of me I can't imagine what would make anyone think this is remotely okay. It's not an homage and I don't take it as flattery. It's plagiarism, and unfortunately it is going to happen. But that doesn't make it alright.

Who knows? Maybe Daedaloops is honored by contributing to the psychedelic zeitgeist. I'm not so charitable, and I wouldn't be at all nice about it in telling this jagoff to take it down immediately.

For what it's worth, event promoters rarely make money. Unless you are throwing massive events with corporate sponsorship you're very lucky to even get back all the money you put in. Promoters mostly do it because they enjoy and it they want to provide an experience.

Yeah... That's worth exactly nothing. If they're charging admission, it's a commercial endeavor. You don't get a pass because you're inept at business or enjoy providing experiences. And regardless of whether they're charging for it or not... THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR PERMISSION.

It's just plain lazy really. It's not that hard to make an original psychedelic flyer. For some reason I want to blame Avalon

As for the parties themselves. I have met my favourite people in the world at outdoor psytrance parties and the atmosphere can be like no other. The two people I live with, who are my favourite two people on this planet, I met at a psy party four years ago. People don't stumble about on DMT at these events. The only time I have smelled DMT at a psy gig was when Shpongle was playing... and it was during Devine Moments of Truth, so I'd say it was allowed.

Yeah the scene isn't as good as it used to be on a whole, but people seem to be getting the wrong idea of what they're about. It can have a real tribal feel when stomping around to weird sounds connected by a 4/4 beat.

When I were a lad, many moons ago you didn't charge for your outdoor parties if you were doing it for the love, you put it on for free. I spent many years driving round Europe in a van with a sound system and our crew and we never chargedid once even though we risked arrest and equipment seizure. But that was 25 years ago and times have changed.

@Studio1one i wasn't really associating the smiley soley with shoom but more with a musical movement and i used this as an example as it related well to the OP and yes the smiley has been used before which sort of underlines my point that other peoples art has been regularly appropriated for advertising gigs since the 60s. I agree with the free parties but as you say it was different in those days. I can't really blame people for charging in order to make ends meet.

@Art i appreciate that you dont want your art purloined without permission. You are passionate about creativity and i shall stop playing devils advocate. However answer me this.. If someone stole a bit of your art and repackaged it in a different context but you thought "hold on a minute, this is quite good, i like it". What would you do? I have a very strong feeling that once you have feasted your eyes on the little highbrow masterpiece below that i have concocted for you that you may change your mind about art appropriation.

Hug46,

The problem with that is... I'm pretty sure that actually is in the context Art intended

Well that just goes to show what a clutz i am when it comes to artistic interpretation. I always thought that the original had something to do with flower arranging.

That just made me laugh like a crazy man - and in a public place, checking the thread on my phone.

Well played, sir.

Bad style and kind of disrespectful to not ask or tell the person you have used his artwork.
Not every artist finds it flattering to have his work remixed and used for any sorts of purposes.