Can SWIY please elaborate a litte more off the bold text? SWIM is to mix vinegar with the d-limonene as per the original tek, but not decant it? And then add the seltzer water to the mix of both? SWIM is confused

swim is a little frustrated that his brown'ish/red'ish goo is not drying at all.!!

He even tried spreading the goo out so it had more surface area, but still....just goo.

Him and a couple friends wanted to try it this weekend but swim will have no way of measuring the doseage unless it's dry.

Just venting frustration, but if anyone has any advice it would be appreciated.

Mescaline carbonate has sparked SWIM's interest. If it works as well as it sounds, it'd be an easy nontoxic way to render a more manageable salt. Plus, getting rid of the smell of vinegar would be nice.



Sounds like he had already pulled with vinegar and was testing the seltzer on the leftovers.

SWIMS experience with the Pedro is that at least %50 of the alkaloids were not Mescaline, and that these other alkaloids never completely dry, they remain as a thick sticky mass. If SWIY wants a powdery product he will have to convert it to HCL and then wash with acetone

The product is fine consumed as is tho, just scoop up some with half a vegetable cap and weigh it out... then dissolve into some hot coffee

This mite be a bit left field but i have been thinking about gassing with CO2 any thoughts ?
I realy have no idea if this is possible cant seem to find any info other than some talk about mescaline carbonate and the setzer water post.
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Depends what you want to gas with the CO2. The non-polar solvent or something else ?

Note that CO2 is not always interchangeable with carbonic acid. CO2 dissolved in water gives carbonic acid. So, gassing the non-polar solvent with CO2 is unlikely to precipitate mesc-carbonate in a similar fashion as gassing the non-polar solvent with HCl gas gives mesc-chloride.

Ah alright. SWIM mixed some seltzer water with his 4th vinegar pull and is currently evaporating. His 3rd pull had barely any mescaline, so he is doubting he will yield much if any mescaline carbonate, but decided to experiment anyway.

SWIM didn't mix seltzer water with vinegar, he just used seltzer water on some old limonene that had already been salted a few times.

Oh. What did SWIM do then? He mixed seltzer water with his d-limonened-pulled vinegar. He shook it a little in a water bottle (it didn't bubble) and it evaported into a lighter brown and less dense gooey mass than his previous pulls. It was about 30mg, which was expected. Is it still active mescaline acetate?

Did SWIY mix seltzer water with a full ~300ml limonene pull? How long did it take to evaporate, and would a little heat be safe to use?

The only limonene SWIM has left has been pulled through cactus 2 times, so he's thinking it's probably no good but will try seltzer water anyway!

Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.

SWIM just had some old limonene sitting out that he thought might have some alkaloids left in it, so he decided to try a different approach than salting them out with vinegar. So he used seltzer water instead.

No vinegar ever came into contact with the seltzer water. I don't think anything bad would happen if you mixed them but that wasn't what SWIM was trying to do.

You might have a mix, I guess. Who knows?

It doesn't take long to evaporate, as long as the vinegar water.

Well SWIM mixed seltzer water with his 4th d-limonene pull, that had already been re-used from the 3rd pull. He had his limonene/seltzer water mix evaporate in the oven at around 130F with the door open and it scraped up resembling a syrupy color and consistency, it measures 162mg! His 4th vinegar pull only yielded 30mg (from 50g cactus) so he wasn't expecting much from the limonene/seltzer water mix. SWIM will have to try if it is active.

Wait, so SWIY's evaporating the seltzer water and the limonene together? SWIM would assume that would result in a gooey, highly impure yield. PlainCoil is using seltzer water in place of vinegar (carbonic acid in place of acetic) and seperating it from the limonene before evaporating the water.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out! I guess SWIM's yield is completely disposable then as he did not separate the seltzer water from the limonene and evaporated them both at the same time. However SWIM was ready to dispose all his leftovers from this tek before hastily reading the posts of seltzer water, so it's not a big deal that he didn't do it right or that the yield is unusable.

Quick update....
Swim ingested 75mg + 20mg booster after a couple of hours, 3 datura strammonium seeds, and coffee worth 340mg Caffeine. He has to say that the coffee was too much, as he got nausea from it. He'd say that 200mg caffeine is perfect and a MUST!!! It's so much better with coffee. The main effects were quite nice. Not very strong though. His body felt like silk and he just could sit there in PEACE AND HARMONY forever.

The next time he wants to try 150mg +100mg booster ..what do you think?

SWIM went ahead with the seltzer water: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=74698#74698

Before he went ahead with that he noticed a layer in the bottom of his limonene used and reused for extraction. He siphoned it out and evaporated. What he got was similar to mescaline acetate, but much more dense and crystalline. He couldn't tell what it was, but there was a hefty amount of it (many many grams, probably). It was water-soluble, but it seemed to react with acetic acid (as in the picture). SWIM put it back into the basified cactus material with a bit of extra lime, since he couldn't identify it. He'll continue to pull from the material.

SWIM also had a layer in his limo once it was pulled, he kept adding it back to the limo for each pull and extraction but then when all extracting was done he decided to try salt this layer and see if there was any mesc in it. Once evaporated he was left with a product very similar to what SWIY has posted, it was quite tough and formed 1cm shards on the pan. It also stank of a tangy sort of smell. SWIM thinks this was a small amount of very fine calcium hydroxide mixed with water and with the addition of acid, calcium hcl was formed. SWIM doesnt have enough experience to know this for sure tho. It didn't smell good and had a sharp burn when it hit the tongue so SWIM threw it out.

Swim has a question. Can he clean up the impure gooey mescaline by doing the procedure at the end of rons mesc. hcl tek, using acetone and 99% isopropyl?

Dealing with the goo is kind of a pain in the arse and was just wondering the best way to clean it.

The only thing is, is that swim was pulling with vinegar and not water/hcl solution.....so he wasn't sure if that would have a negative effect if he tried to clean up this goo, using acetone and 99% ipo,or does it matter? If it does matter, is there another way to clean the goo?

Any suggestions?

There's not really a good way to clean this... I think the best you can do is to convert it back to a base and clean that, then go back to acetate.

Never thought it was worth it to be honest.

Mescaline acetate as well as its impurities seem to be super soluble in everything so the Hcl method won't work all that well.

It is definitely worth it, if you used Pedro then a large proportion of your end product is not Mescaline, the other alkaloids have a very strange effect and its not to some peoples taste.

Dwitty, you can clean the product if you first convert it to HCL. Just mix your acetate with an HCL solution so that there is no more vinegar smell. Then wash it with acetone and ipa. SWIM didnt have IPA so just used acetone and the results were excellent, the end product has very little smell and is almost white. The effects are nicer than the full extract mix in SWIMS opinion