Mind you before reading this ....
SWIM is using a fumerate pull from a quantity of plant that has been nothing but bad luck...
He does believe though that his DMT-Fumerate is quite pure.

In Order:

Snorted:
10mg ... Nothing
20mg ... Wow this burns ... otherwise ... nothing
30mg ... Waste, SWIM gives up

Conclusion:
If SWIM can snort 20-30mg and feel next to nothing, it's not worth it
when he could smoke the same amount and feel quite wonderful.

Sublingual:
20mg/20 minutes: Nothing
30mg/20 minutes: Nothing
40mg/30 minutes: again ....

waste


Smoked Fumerate:
Unknown amounts/Multiple times:
body buzz body bvzz ... mild trip ... body buzz ...

Straight to the point:
SWIM sees no reason for the FASA method other than oral ingestion and helping to clean the DMT
of fats.

Is there really a point to this FASA method or is this just SWIM's shitty luck
from his current supply of mimosa?

Funny you should post this...

I've had some limonene extracted DMT fumerate lying around for a while or more accurately a full alkaloid jurema extraction fumerate which was 2x rextalised using good old H2O (best crystals ever btw)

Anyway 125mg snorted... This hurts! But it works. I actually did it twice in one week I thought it was that good. The experience was not like either ayahuasca or smoked DMT. It was much less on the visual side but very euphoric and over the space of 1 1/2 - 2 hours I gained some immense clarity like I haven't had for a good long while. Clarity was the overall factor in this experience, with a 1 hour trail of complete peace of mind.

OEV's were very surrounding but quite transparent, CEV's were very organic but quite dissasociated from my current mood. Visuals lasted for maybe an hour, the whole thing tailed off after about 3 hours.

This is the first time I've actual thought of mimosa in this way other than people telling me a mimosa brew requires no added MAOI which I always dismissed due to access to extracted harmalas. Could if be that a limonene extraction pulls the orally activating compound? I'm still to test this, but I was very surprised by the effect of the nasal route.

I really can't stress enough the fact that this dose burn quite badly for a good hour or so, so before you go snorting your jungle fumerate, take this warning!

Well I think the main reasons people use the fumerate approach is for a medium for long term storage as DMT fumerate is much more stable than freebase and also it's just good to use as a defatting step in some extractions.

Yes and also realize that the weight is different when you make a salt. So if you take 20 mg free base and 20 mg fumarate the fumarate has less spice per mg. To calculate just look at molecular mass etc. Anyway SWIM thinks only real good purpose for making salt is 1- long term storage as has been stated or 2- oral use.

30mg dmt fumarate snorted wont give you any effects at all

Yup. Try using at least 100mg. 150mg for SWIM feels like nice low dose pharmahuasca. One can safely go up to 200mg, preferably 100mg per nostril.

But still it's not going to be like a smoked breakthrough experience.

Is this not because its acidic.
Is there anyway of prehaps adding a base to the mixture before snorting to relieve/reduce the burn, or would that mess with the chemistry/physcoactivity of the product.
If this was the case maybe you could snort something after you snorted the fumerate?

snorting the freebase hurts even more!! i would highly recommend not doing it...OUCH

"Is there really a point to this FASA method or is this just SWIM's shitty luck
from his current supply of mimosa?"

I was under the impression that the fumarates main usage was for using it in combination with an maoi for a pharmahuasca experience.(oraly)

People are getting pleasant DMT effects from sublingual Virola calophylla resin. I don't think it has that much DMT in it. So why does the resin work so well when DMT is so hard to use sublingually?

Guys,

The whole story with the fumarate started because the fumarate salt of dmt is a nice solid salt, as opposed to the other salts (citric, malic, chloric, acetic etc). This would make it nice to snort. This is mostly what Coschi was concerned about.

Then, the finding that dmt fumarate is practically insoluble in acetone led to the development of the FASA method by SWIM and few others. In this method, dmt fumarate was just an intermediate for the purification of dmt that is pulled form basified plant material using xylene/toluene without the need for defats or other steps. FASA addition allows this.

Then Jorkest developed the FASW approach which is suited for limonene pulls.

In any case however, the dmt fumarate was primarily intended to be freebased and smoked.

dmt-fumarate only has these uses:
1) storage of dmt (because fumarate salt is thought as a good form for long term storage, no hard data though). The solid form of dmt-fumarate makes it easy to handle and weight.
2) snorting it, because snorting the freebase is a big ouch.
3) sublingual??

DMT-fumarate can also be used for oral consumption with MAOIs, but SWIM doubts whether it has any advantages over dissolving the freebase in some orange juice or whatever and then gulping it. Different dmt salts may have different pharmacokinetics (means that consumption of dmt-fumarate can be different from consumption of dmt-citrate or dmt acetate). SWIM has never really been impressed much from oral dmt fumarate.

Ya .. SWIM's preferences just don't let him toot 125mg up the nose.
30 (or 20)mg he'd rather smoke
anything over 100, he'd rather eat

Speaking of oral, what's a common dose for oral fumerate with syrian rue?
SWIM has never done pharma, only aya
He has no clue how much DMT was in his drinks.
I would think the fumerate is best for oral.
I mean, being able to mix it in a drink and drinking it.

It varies like you wouldn't believe. I use 50-80mg, some are overpowered with as little as 30mg and some people claim to have mild experiences with 150mg.

Trial and error is what I say... very careful trial and error.

Tropane

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here? Snorting fumarate that's very intense. I don't like snorting anything, maybe the only entheogen i would ever snort would be Yopo.


Much Sunshine

That's what SWIM was trying to achieve
Doesn't seem worth snorting though.

Yopo on the other hand, SWIM has had some fun rides with

Oh, you are really lucky to have had Yopo i cant wait to have it in the future definitely an experience I'm sure.

Much Peace

Agreed. After 3 snortings of freebase (80 - 100 mg, mixed with fine precipitated chalk powder) spaced weeks apart, SWIM had what looked like a small chunk of nasal interior drop out of SWIM's nostril... Well, maybe it was meant to fall out?!

3rd experience was good though, 'shamanic' encounter with jungle snake entity. But... OWWW! Plus it uses rather a lot of material for a decent hit. SWIM is not convinced about the nasal route in absence of potentiation.

"SWIM had what looked like a small chunk of nasal interior drop out of SWIM's nostril..." first time swims ever heard that about anything - eish, sounds hektic.