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#1 Posted : 3/6/2016 1:47:46 PM
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http://scfh.ru/en/news/w...oma-we-became-immortal-/

While these researchers are convinced that this textile depicts the identity of soma, which it likely does, I've been convinced soma was stropharia cubensis for quite some time, what's more important is that it offers evidence for ancient use of stropharia cubensis, a species which must have been widely used in the region, but which lacks much historical evidence to confirm this...

I feel the evidence is in fact there, though it may be scarce, or it may even be intentionally suppressed.


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For over a hundred years now, scientists have been discussing what plant was used to prepare Soma (Haoma), a sacred drink of the ancient Indians and Iranians, which "inspired poets and seers, made warriors fearless." The hypotheses were plenty: from ephedra, cannabis, and opium poppy to blue water lily (Nymphaea caerulea) and fly agaric (Amanita muscaria). The answer was found in a grave of a noble woman buried in an elite burial ground of the Xiongnu, the famous nomads of Central Asia

Final phase of the restoration of the embroidered carpet. Video by Sergey Zelensky
Importantly, none of the researchers denies the fact that the ancient Indians and Iranians consumed a drink with a psychoactive substance as a sacrament. However, the precise identity of the substance and its plant source, as well as its influence on human consciousness, are still being debated.
The translator and greatest authority on the Rigveda Tatyana Ya. Elizarenkova wrote: “Judging by the Rigveda hymns, Soma was not only stimulating but also a hallucinogenic drink. It is difficult to be more specific not only because none of the plants suggested as soma satisfies all the parameters and only partially answers the description of soma given in the hymns but mainly because the language and style of the Rigveda, an archaic religious tome with the typical features of ‘Indo-European poetic speech’, pose a formidable obstacle to soma identification.” Knowing perfectly well that all the possibilities of the written source had been exhausted, Elizarenkova believed that the answer could come from archaeologists, from “their findings in North-Western India, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (and not in remote Central Asia).”
Remarkably, her opinion, expressed 25 years ago, was confirmed by new findings made in Mongolia. No one could have suspected that a grave of a noble woman buried in an elite burial ground of the Xiongnu, the famous nomads of Central Asia, would answer the question asked long ago.
It happened in 2009. A team from the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography SB RAS, which was led by Natalia Polosmak, was performing archaeological excavations in the Noin-Ula Mountains, Northern Mongolia. In tumulus 31, at a depth of 13 meters, the archaeologists discovered a wooden burial chamber. On the floor, which was covered with a thick layer of blue clay, around an old tomb ruined by ancient robbers, there were visible traces of a woollen fabric; this was all that was left of an embroidered strip, which was of great historical value even in this fragmentary state. Textiles are virtually never preserved in ancient graves, and such findings are exceptionally rare. The remains of the textile were retrieved from the grave and delivered to the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography SB RAS. The second life of this remarkable artefact began thanks to Russian restorers.
The craftsmanship and the story unfolding on the threadbare fabric are truly amazing. Embroidered in woollen thread on the thin cloth is a procession of Zoroastrian warriors marching towards an altar; one of them, standing at the altar, is holding a mushroom in his hands.
A distinguishing feature of this embroidery is that the craftsmen did their best to depict the faces, costume, arms, plants, and insects, trying to copy everything from life. According to the mycologist I.A. Gorbunova (Candidate of Biology, senior researcher with the Inferior Plant Laboratory, Central Siberian Botanical Garden, SB RAS), the mushroom depicted on the carpet belongs to the Strophariaceae family. http://scfh.ru/en/news/w...oma-we-became-immortal-/


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#2 Posted : 3/6/2016 6:04:59 PM

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it looks like the power shroom to me!
im convinced.
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#3 Posted : 3/7/2016 12:17:41 PM
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By itself it's only circumstantial, by when coupled with all my additional research into stropharia cubensis and that region, it seems to confirm what I had already suspected.

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#4 Posted : 3/7/2016 8:52:43 PM

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Haoma/saoma just means 'pressed' and hence many things can be pressed with mortar and pestle.
 
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#5 Posted : 3/7/2016 9:46:06 PM
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..it's an amazing find...and certainly mushrooms have a history..

though i agree with Intezam..
it's a little bit like a future civilisation knowing of this word 'entheogen' and debating whether it was dmt, mushrooms or salvia etc.

soma सोम (sanskrit) means:

'together with uma (goddess)
moon or moon-god
wind
camphor
Monday
water
air
particular mountain or mountainous range
extract
particular class of pitrs (deceased spirits)
Soma plant
nectar
moon
drug of supposed magical properties
rice-gruel
heaven
ether
sky
rice-water...'

..so what is the true 'nectar of the gods'..? dmt plants, psilocybe, bhang, the female and male sexual fluids, a mantra...?
or haoma...

the vedas themselves mention there were a few 'kinds' of soma...

great historic find though..
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#6 Posted : 3/8/2016 12:06:16 PM
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Yes, my concern here really was not with soma, but with ancient use of stropharia cubensis, which must have been prevalent and influential in that region...

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Other fungal entheogens grow at the lower levels. They come in cattle dung, are easily identified and gathered, and are effective. But they fail to conform to Brahmin practices: they are known to tribals and sudras [untouchables]. Soma on the other hand exacts self-discipline of the priests, a long initiation and training: it is, for proper exploitation, an affair of a priestly elite. But the possible role of Stropharia cubensis growing in the dung of cattle in the lives of the lower orders remains to this day wholly unexplored. Is S. cubensis responsible for the elevation of the cow to a sacred status? And for the inclusion of the urine and dung of cows in the pañcagavya? -G. Wasson ; "Persephone's Quest"


So where is the historical record? If not "lumped in" with soma?...

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#7 Posted : 3/8/2016 2:02:46 PM
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I've come to accept that soma was a term similar to entheogen, https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=69346&find=unread

But I've also found evidence for stropharia cubensis use in the Vedic texts, the gita, the Mahabharata, and in the culture and art of the region, to me it's obvious what a large role this mushroom must have played in shaping the culture and spirituality of the region...

...cannabis as well, though the charas using sects are still active, and make no effort to conceal the identity of their sacrament...

Psilocybe fungi and cannabis must have been well known and widely used in the ancient world, specially in India and parts of the middle east and north Africa.

The earliest cannabis stash was found in the grave of a "gushi" shaman, a light skinned, blue eyed people, the grave was 2,500 years old, and there's no doubt that the cannabis was consumed for its THC.
http://www.nbcnews.com/i...na-stash-totally-busted/

Now, in India we still have "charas" sadhus, so we are well aware of cannabis and it's role as entheogen...

But stropharia cubensis?

I see its influence in the art, I read of its influence in the sacred texts, I see its influence in many many aspects of the culture going back to ancient times...so why no record?


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Other fungal entheogens grow at the lower levels. They come in cattle dung, are easily identified and gathered, and are effective. ...

they are known to tribals and sudras [untouchables]

-wasson


So this effective and easily identified Entheogenic fungi that was known to the holy men, as well as the common people has nothing to do with soma? Or influence on the religion of that area?

There's even stories of holy men telling common folks not to eat cubensis mushrooms, these same holymen feel you must "earn" access to sacred substances like soma, and thus would tell the common people not to touch them...

Then there's "vegetable television" described by terence mckenna in "true hallucinations", while on psilocybe fungi mckenna was inhaling harmala rich smoke of the caapi vine, producing a rush of hallucinations...peganum harmala seeds are seen as sacred in the region and burned on hot stones...perhaps while on the mushroom harmala vapours were inhaled...
Perhaps the mushroom, peganum harmala seeds, and perhaps even cannabis were mixed with water, pressed, then filtered to produce soma...Though this is just some fun speculation...

If the mushroom was common, as stropharia cubensis is, perhaps it was prepared as a "tea" to conceal its identity...

I'm convinced this mushroom played a far larger role than most realize in the shaping of the culture and spirituality of the region, I feel it's use its ancient, and possibly still continues to this day...




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RgVeda: RV 8.82.25 For thee, O Lord of Light, are shed these Soma-drops, and grass is strewn.


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#8 Posted : 3/8/2016 10:42:27 PM
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i think definitely cubensis is a major ancient entheogen..

i think one problem with the work of Wasson on this subject (and McKenna), though they are both brilliant scholars of entheogens, is they didn't have the time, means or inclination to go as deeply into Vedic/Sanskrit or Pali scholarship, and all the various branches of the diverse culture there, as they could have..

and specifically No potentially entheogenic plants or fungi are openly written about or discussed publicly in traditions where people are well aware of them (Ayurveda for instance) ...i think people are expected to gain knowledge without being spoon fed...a good approach...
also, with thousands of years of knowledge, just one form of entheogen known, be it mushrooms, (however quietly) would be rather primitive..i don't think so

for the knowledge of mushrooms specifically,
a good example is Buddhist traditions (which of course vary a lot in approach)
..there is a good talk here (if you haven't seen it) looking mainly at symbolism and use of entheogenic mushrooms in buddhist iconography and tradition by Michael Crowley here...


 
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Argyria Nervosa is another candidate for one of the soma plants. I think Crowley mentions it in that talk above. It is def a powerful entheogen and one of my favorites. One issue however is concerning the potency of the strain growing in the region where it is found in use in ayurveda. Is there potent seeds to be found in the old world that could be used as a viable psychedelic? A bit off topic, but still relevant to soma..
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im wondering what the climate was like in that area where that thing was found when it was buried.

it does look like a pasture cube to me.
its sorta disturbing how much.

ive been it " soma was a fungi" camp for a long time anyway.
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In trad. post-vedic societies and their various religionisms and cults, mushrooms are considered " the menstruation of mother (earth)" so a certain kind of shaiva and vaishnava or even a jain sadhu will have objection in looking into that sort of halahala poison


So... one day we asked a Swami, why then is it that water buffalo is the savari (vehicle) of Lord Yama aka the Lord of Death?

He said, you see the people who spread their beddings on the road side at night? Cows walk carefully around these sleeping peoples while buffalo walk on top of the sleeping people (hurting/killing/trampling them).

His answer shows.....Thumbs down
 
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#12 Posted : 3/10/2016 1:45:35 PM
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anne halonium wrote:
im wondering what the climate was like in that area where that thing was found when it was buried.

it does look like a pasture cube to me.
its sorta disturbing how much.

ive been it " soma was a fungi" camp for a long time anyway.


..i tend to feel like the various camps meet in the same place Smile

maybe i'll try get together a quick article for the nexian..hmm

the climate thing is a real key here..

the 'aryan' sanskrit culture which came from the north became major proponents of the pastoral cow+nectar of the gods orientation of the hymns of the 4 Vedas..

but it drew on a number of older pre-existing traditions, with different climates, and orientations..
Shiva, for instance, comes originally from Tamil/Dravidian lore..there are mountain traditions, forest, desert..
in order to become what's now seen as the 'shruti' - the universally accepted holy verses throughout 'hinduism', the refinement of the vedas, the upanishads, as well as core mantras, draw on diverse traditions, to find a unity of 'destination'..

the so-called 'aryan invasion' is now seen by historians as a coming together and incorporation and development within already existing indian cultures..and immigrating fairer skinned peoples who migrated with sanskrit from the north-east and came from or through different climates too..one kind of mushroom can change into another across long spans..
and of course climates change..

that said, i think the cows are from another world too, with those spores haha..

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In trad. post-vedic societies and their various religionisms and cults, mushrooms are considered "the menstruation of mother (earth)" so a certain kind of shaiva and vaishnava or even a jain sadhu will have objection in looking into that sort of halahala poison
...

He said, you see the people who spread their beddings on the road side at night? Cows walk carefully around these sleeping peoples, while buffalo walk on top of the sleeping people (hurting/killing them).


..until relatively recently (2000-1500 years) a multi cultural norm across the middle east, india, asia and indeed the world most of the time, was to be pure (true) enough to receive the embrace of the Mother..

the crow is the shining one...the buffalo demon is 'dull'...

very fascinating account of the 'corvis', the seer and the trinity Intezam

om soma namah..
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ps entheogenic-gnosis..fabric of psilocybe..what a fascinating thing...
 
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I wish the team that discovered the stropharia cubensis textile would have chose to keep it away from the concept of "soma"

Why was this team so certain that this was the definitive proof of the identity of soma?


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It [the textile] was made someplace in Syria or Palestine, embroidered, probably, in north-western India and found in Mongolia.
http://scfh.ru/en/papers...oma-we-became-immortal-/



Again this discovery isn't very far from "the oldest cannabis stash" http://www.thestar.com/b...und_in_chinese_tomb.html

I'm fascinated by these ancient cannabis and psilocybe fungi using cultures...

Regardless of this textiles connection to soma, it's still an ethnobotanical discovery worthy of mention, it's still a piece of history, an aspect of history which has been largely left out of the books, or reduced to non-specific designations such as "soma"...

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For the first time, we can see vivid evidence, embroidered on an ancient cloth discovered by archaeological excavations, for the use of mushrooms for religious purposes probably, to make Haoma, a “sacred drink.”
The origin of this embroidery and characters depicted on it is associated with North-Western India and the Indo-Scythians (Sakas). How the embroidered cloth made it into a Xiongnu grave is a surprise of the so-called Silk Road, a network of trade routes crossing the whole of Eurasia. Judging by the Chinese chronicles, veils and blankets from Northern India were highly valued in the Han China.
http://scfh.ru/en/news/w...oma-we-became-immortal-/


This is why the discovery was seen as significant...

Though there have been many archeological discoveries in the new world confirming Entheogenic mushroom use, many stone statues depicting mushrooms have been found, Gordon wasson even found a living mushroom religion which had been practicing in the mountains of Oaxaca since antiquity, who confirmed ancient mushroom use for religious purposes...

I still feel it's significant, and may actually provide more information than first glance would lead one to believe is there...

The mushrooms no doubt would have traveled the silk road with these traders, no? Many culture s could have been exposed to cubensis mushrooms, cannabis, and the cultures behind them...

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i think definitely cubensis is a major ancient entheogen..

i think one problem with the work of Wasson on this subject (and McKenna), though they are both brilliant scholars of entheogens, is they didn't have the time, means or inclination to go as deeply into Vedic/Sanskrit or Pali scholarship, and all the various branches of the diverse culture there, as they could have..

and specifically No potentially entheogenic plants or fungi are openly written about or discussed publicly in traditions where people are well aware of them (Ayurveda for instance) ...i think people are expected to gain knowledge without being spoon fed...a good approach...
also, with thousands of years of knowledge, just one form of entheogen known, be it mushrooms, (however quietly) would be rather primitive..i don't think so

for the knowledge of mushrooms specifically,
a good example is Buddhist traditions (which of course vary a lot in approach)
..there is a good talk here (if you haven't seen it) looking mainly at symbolism and use of entheogenic mushrooms in buddhist iconography and tradition by Michael Crowley here...




I have not looked into any of this, but intend to, after some research I'll be able to respond appropriately...

Though in Tibet, the pre-Buddhist bon-po, or bon shamans, must have used cannabis, and I suspected they may have used the mushroom or a similar entheogen...

Again, I don't know much here, but will get back to you after some brief research into the area.

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Though in Tibet, the pre-Buddhist bon-po, or bon shamans, must have used cannabis, and I suspected they may have used the mushroom or a similar entheogen...


That is the demented professors lingo of the confuse børg and firangi classification shitstem. Laughing
 
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So the practitioners of bon did not pre-date the Buddhists in that region?

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Though Bon terma contain myths of Bon existing before the introduction of Buddhism in Tibet, "in truth the 'old religion' was a new religion. -wikipedia


So while bon itself may not have pre-dated Buddhism, their practice is said to be much older than their 11th century founding, it may be a myth, but it was a release of much older texts that founded bon, no?

...and even if bon itself does not pre-date buddhism, in that region, bon was the dominant practice before Buddhism, no?

From my research, it's obvious bonpo practitioners consumed cannabis, I suspect they may have even been exposed to the mushroom as well.

My research into bonpo has been minimal, and was initially inspired by terence mckenna,

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Like so many people in the sixties, I came up through D. T. Suzuki’s books on Zen, which were very popular at a certain point. And then early on because of my art historical bent, I became interested in Tibetan Buddhism. But my interest was not exactly Buddhism. It was more the shamanic pre-Buddhist Tibet phenomenon of the Bön religion—which grew out of the shamanic culture of pre-Buddhist Tibet. I found among Tibetan Buddhists a lot of prejudice against the Bön. They were definitely second-class citizens inside theocratic Tibet, and they still are. -terence mckenna


While you were commenting on "bhang", which is a milk and cannabis infusion, I'm not surprised the term soma was connected to it.

It seems soma was a term analogous to our modern term "entheogen"

So it's no surprise that cannabis infusions, peganum harmala seeds, and other entheogens have names connected to "soma", because anything which can bring you to a spiritual peak could be considered soma, so in a sense, yes, cannabis is soma, peganum harmala is soma, stropharia cubensis is soma, certain meditations and yogas are soma...and you will find the title "soma" tied into all these things...


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In the mckenna qoute above mckenna says bon "grew out of pre-Buddhist (and pre-bon) shamanism"

So pre-Buddhist may even mean pre-bon in this situation...



Then across this region we find ancient cannabis burried with shamans
http://www.thestar.com/b...nd_in_chinese_tomb.html, as well as textiles depicting stropharia cubensis mushrooms as entheogens

...Again, if you try to answer the question "why was this team so certain the textile depicted the identity of soma?" You encounter a great case for widespread entheogen use in that region...

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It [the textile] was made someplace in Syria or Palestine, embroidered, probably, in north-western India and found in Mongolia.
http://scfh.ru/en/papers...ma-we-became-immortal-/


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The origin of this embroidery and characters depicted on it is associated with North-Western India and the Indo-Scythians (Sakas). How the embroidered cloth made it into a Xiongnu grave is a surprise of the so-called Silk Road, a network of trade routes crossing the whole of Eurasia. Judging by the Chinese chronicles, veils and blankets from Northern India were highly valued in the Han China.
http://scfh.ru/en/news/w...ma-we-became-immortal-/


There are many potential implications to all this, the most obvious would involve the potential.for the mushroom and cannabis to travel between all these cultures...

We know the mushroom was a Neolithic sacrament (see attachment), at Tassili n'Ajjer we see ancient depictions of Entheogenic mushroom use...

I've even found evidence for mushroom use at gobekli tepe, a site 7000 years older than the pyramids...Though it's circumstantial at this point, and I'll need to uncover additional evidence.

Had we not found ayahuasca using peoples in modern times, I'm sure science would claim "there's no way they would have known to combine the plants, there's no way they would be able to figure it out"

I think in this region, where peganum harmala is already seen as sacred, they may have had organism harmala smoke being inhaled from hot stones, while they were under the influence of the mushroom, or they may have had peganum harmala seed tea, combined with the mushroom or a DMT containing plant, probably an acacia, acacia trees are also seen as sacred in the region...(I'm also convinced the ancient Hebrews and Egyptians had an ayahuasca analogue, and possible the mushroom.

It's the plants that are my focus, I have my suspicions, and every little piece of evidence, such as this textile, helps me to build my case for the spiritual and social significance of these entheogens, whose influence reaches far into the Neolithic and continues to the present day.

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In the last century this was the scholarly consensus, that Bon was that 'pre-lamaist' shamanism, but they did not really study Bon back then. Some Buddhists opposed to Bon may have added to the confusion. There was shamanism in Tibetts before, but it wasn't Bon.

The Bon have something they call primordial Bon, so this is something like the primordial Deen of all men. Like us, they circumambulate 'objects' counter-clockwise.

We also read prof. Suzukis books (mostly) on the Lankavatara, Zen is very similar to Chan, and Chan is very similar to Dzogchen and Dzogchen is very similar to the Mahamudra of the ancient psychonauts, the Mahasiddhas.

Btw: Bhanga (skt) just means plain cannabis, only pressed with milk and datura seeds, melon seeds, poppy seeds and crushed almond its called Bhang ki thandai (mislabeled as bhanglassi) but lassi is made from joghurt. Sometimes other stuff is added, like pistachio-saffron syrup and pandanus water (kewra essence) Even children drink Bhang ki thandai and during Holi or during the various Uras, also in Pakistan and Bengal, they can turn into little ferocious demons when they do....

Edit: we consider (an aspect of) haoma an immortal saint (but a makara is not just a fish, it's moar of a seamonster-dragon-beast)
 
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