Thank you for clarifying Thy, I had misinterpreted your previous post.



This is where I'm at currently, from a religious point of view, regardless of your faith, God or gods, created the universe, rationally that makes what ever existed before/after this the ultimate reality. Why did all these religions all come to the same conclusion, the simple answer is that it answers the 'why we are here' question, or is it because this universe was created by some supreme deity that is beyond our understanding?



I personally am a unitarian universalist so your point that we are all one connected consciousness makes perfect sense to me. The only thing that separates us currently is space time, though this is just a illusion as currently we are already together, only experiencing the now as we are limited to a physical reality. The phenomena could then be put down to a bending of space time due to the persons experiencing a higher level of consciousness that has little to do with our brain.

"Telempathy" indeed, I like that take on it. I haven't experienced back and forth mental conversations or anything of that nature but I have definitely been on some other level where I could feel what others around me were thinking while deep inside a heavy mushroom journey. Connecting on an empathetic level has happened countless times especially when I am close to the person (usually my girlfriend). And it goes both ways between us. I guess it is more of a "vibe" than a telepathic communication but it is interesting nonetheless.

That is one of the wonderful things about psychedelics, they let your senses blend together in different and unique ways which, in turn, allow us to perceive and intercept our surroundings in a whole new light.

Cool thread, btw!

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JDSalinger - I'm glad to see the UUs represented here on The Nexus, I'm not much of a church goer, but I have a lot of love for the UUs

Anyhow...
The thing about telepathy is that, regardless of how it happens, we can make some very basic claims, that, as far as I know must be true of all forms of communications.

1) Information must travel from one node (in this case, a person), through space, to another node (the other person).
2) That information must be instantiated in some form in the brain of the first person, change mediums for transmission (encoding), and then be decoded back into whatever form is readable by brains.

This is true of every known for of information transfer, and I see no reason it should be different for telepathy. If you're going to propose a mechanism, even if it's a 'spiritual one,' it needs to fit the above criteria. Neurons in the brain are all part of one consciousness, but a string of bits in my occipital lobe must be transmitted through physical space by physical media (in the form of action potential and neurotransmitter cascades) for it be reach a visual association area, or anywhere else in the brain.

Blessings
~ND

I think if you are looking for a medium for information transfer, my best guess would be the ethereal energy with which we perceptually interact via DMT, meditation, concentration and in other circumstances. I have what feels like telepathic moments all the time with people, but it's always like "well, how can you really tell?"...other than sometimes it just seems painfully obvious, and unlikely to be coincidence.

I would say that one of the stronger "telepathic" events I experienced was not quite telepathic and not quite telekinetic, but some combination thereof. I feel like I need to explain a few things about the way I experience the energy. It feels magnetic to the touch, primarily sensed external to the body. This bio-magnetism (that is not magnetism) feels like it creates involuntary movements not through reflexive arcs, where the body still feels as if it is being moved from within, but rather it feels like the energy pulls and pushes on the body and extremities like an outside force. One can imagine the sensation of holding a magnet in one hand, and keeping the magnet in hand, feeling it be pulled, thereby pulling one's arm. Perhaps there is an attraction/repulsion of opposite forces from inside and outside the body - I don't know.

In an experience where I was experimenting energetically with one of my brothers, sans DMT, our energies became entrained, and I found that I could move his limbs to where I pooled my attention. I became able to invoke involuntary motions within his body. He was unaware of my intentions, and only found himself moving involuntarily, but I was consciously manipulating those movements beyond a shadow of my doubt. It is nevertheless a gray area, at least in terms of lexicography because it is not exactly like mental communication (telepathy) nor mental manipulation at a distance of an inanimate object (telekinesis). Maybe the event is possible because of the energies in both of our bodies. Maybe the only way to perform true telekinesis would be to infuse life energy into an inanimate object, but now we're talking Frankenstein sci-fi here. Anyway, food for thought.

Ah, thank you for clarifying, I guess I got a little pseudosciencey before... There obviously would have to be some transfer of information on the neuro-level, what that could possibly be I have no idea.


As much as I'd like it to does the ether suffice as a mode of transfer on a scientific level? Global, your explanation sounds like that energy I described, that we were pushing back and forth, only you worded it much more eloquently.

Insofar as I know, there are no tools that can measure the energy we deal with. I don't think that should interfere with phenomenological experiments where evidence is gathered, observations made, and inferences inferred.

I think of telepathy occurrences as all of us swimming in a matrix of consciousness that isn't here, and that is where 'we' - on a 'more real' level - really are, and you and your friends had all 'swam up' to the subject and were actually handling it like a physical object, but on another level of reality of more pure consciousness beyond the physical domain and the 'veil' that separates there from here. Psychedelics allow us to become more conscious of that level of our existence and thus act more freely on that level where we can handle thought/energy forms in much different ways compared to the aspect of us that identifies with our physical bodies and is more restricted to the physical realm and our extremities here in day-to-day life.

But we have 'other extremities', if you will. We aren't just 'here' in these bodies.

Nathanial,

Of course it will be difficult to understand the perspective of telepathy being real if you think the material is primary and consciousness is secondary.

You'll however see that not just on psychedelics but all wisdom-traditions of past ages, where Adepts were produced, experienced many, and more of such things. This is because consciousness is primary. Science will find this to be the case at some point. It's just a matter of time, and changing the paradigm in which most of modern science is conducted. As Tesla said, “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” Tesla knew about the akasha, understood it. He was a breathing Yogi, who practiced celibacy (brahmakayara) for mental prowess, and learned from Svami Vivikananda. See: http://www.teslasociety.com/tesla_and_swami.htm if you are interested.

As for the science of telepathy, I suggest you look into psi-research, and the research of Dean Radin. He made a book called: Supernormal. It may be of your interest.

I wish to comment on telepathy not between humans (which can be ambiguous and dismissed often as coincidence), but rather between human and DMT entity. I'm sure the way I experience this phenomenon should resonate well amongst some of you. Entities can communicate in a variety of fashions, however (in)effective. They can emit streams of pitches, make electronic/alien sounds, "speak" telepathically in languages that may or may not be understood and create audible speech perceived as sound in languages that may or may not be understood. When an entity communicates with me telepathically, the way it feels like to me is as if something else other than my conscious self is using the "radio station" typically reserved for my private mental voice that is used for inner speech.

When they speak or emit audible sound, it behaves much like physical sound. By this, I mean that an entity speaking to me on my right flank will sound louder in my right ear than my left. Objects can emit sounds as well. There have been times where I will open my eyes and holograms will be displaced around my room. I can literally get up and explore my physical space, and as I approach entities/objects, their sounds will get louder. I've had objects that produce sound that will whizz by my head, and it is very easy to hear the cycling of dynamics.

I'm not so sure it's a matter of primacy, but of perspective. Perhaps consciousness and matter are two sides of the same coin, so to speak, one and the same, both reflecting each other's reality.

Is it even possible to understand non-dual, non-local phenomenon from a dualistic perspective?

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What he said.

Here's the most interesting current research into Consciousness, put forth by Tononi and known as Integrated Information Theory.

http://www.biolbull.org/content/215/3/216.full

Long story short, this hypothesizes that consciousness is an emergent property of information processing, and that any system that processes information has some 'quantity' of consciousness, that can be calculated (call it 'phi'. The nice thing about this is that it can, in theory, be studied by altering the amount of integrated information in an individuals brain and then seeing how their phenomenological experience of consciousness changes.

I won't comment on whether it's 'primary' or anything like that, as I don't really know what those terms mean, but it does suggest that consciousness is like gravity, and it comes hard-wired into the universe and is present anywhere there is information processing, be it in a human, computer, plant, or solar system.

It also suggests that the structure of a system's consciousness experience is a function of how matter is organized.

Blessings
~ND