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Vocalizations and mantras of all sorts can be an extremely useful paddle to help ride those inner oceans, as can mudras and rythmic flowing auto-movements guided by heart-pulsed intentions.

The purpose of life is to live a life of purpose.. A wise man quoted. I said... DMT shows you both, at the same time..

Use the drug, enjoy the drug, respect the drug...but never fool yourself about the what the drug is just because you like it.

Go on with asking yourself questions about the experiences and you might unravel some mysteries about yourself.

M8, Dmstr8, it's not too l8! It can be tough to integr8 and assimil8. Don't let the horse bolt out of the g8! Stick around, it'll be just gr8! If you leave, my mood will defl8! We are in a womb of sorts, let us gest8! A mission to other solar systems, we must formul8!

Don't leave Dmstr8, it's not too l8, m8. What we had was gr8...

Uh oh... I can just see it now. The FECES TO DMT CONVERSION TEK.

Right there is something that I think is very important to talk about. Not that you brought something back with you, but that that thing you're perceiving as something separate from yourself is not separate from yourself - rather, it is you without your baggage. It is you closer to the true nature of yourself than the you that you suppose yourself to be in your daily life. I suggest welcoming that awareness and identifying with it - feel it as yourself. Allow your awareness to expand or move into that perspective without it needing to be something else just because it's so unfamiliar.

If you define it as something else, it will appear as something else and you will believe it and enforce it sunconsciously, effectively walling yourself in to your current perspective. It is a blessing to be able to move into that perspective - failing to acknowledge this is going on is missing out on something huge about yourself, consciousness and life in general.

[I've read many people who experience it in the way you mention which is why I think it's very misconception to clear up in the community. It's not a rare thing for people to perceive certain aspects of the experience as things external/separate from themselves. I'm not saying there aren't entities that are separate from us, but that there are levels of awareness along the spectrum of our multidimensional existence that can seem separate from us when really they are another level of ourselves.]

I'm not saying we SHOULD get high on the processed internal organs of thousands of Berniestas. I'm just saying we can.

That said, the whole idea that we're engaged in 'logical' or 'rational' debate is kind of absurd. Cognitive science has found so many cognitive biases and quirks of cognition that the idea that we're engaged in some kind of pure, rational discourse is almost impossible. I would say the entire idea of 'Philosophical Reason,' is patently useless, and more of a way to lend artificial weight to one's ideas than it is any useful path to truth. We all may as well be cave men hitting each other with sticks.

All this huffing could be resolved by a small puffing.

It is what it is, and what it is is enough.

IMO, the real work of the medicine is not to take 2 weeks vacation and drink ayahuasca with a Shipibo shaman 8 times, marking it off the bucket list, and pronouncing yourself an expert on the matter. The real work of the medicine is in cultivating a personal relationship with it amidst living your daily life, working your 9-5, raising your family, engaging in your community. If you can demonstrate with your actions that the medicine makes you a more kind, compassionate, and engaged human being in your day-to-day life, that speaks a whole lot louder than being able to proclaim you spent a large sum of money to go retreat with some "experts" somewhere for a holiday.

* and now a word from the old cactus lady.........

" by the time most of you are my age, (old)
most of your counter culture friends will be dead, still in jail, in mental hospitals, or completely dropped out and family involved, or stuck in loser careers / lifestyles.
a good portion will also cease hallucinogens and become addicts to other drugs.
only the toughest practitioners last a decade or more in true psychedelic form and thrive.

there are very few you can actually help, but all are a liability.
.......dont get too attached."

theres old psychonauts, and bold psychonauts.
as i get older , i see less and less bolder..............

we cant shortcut peoples karma with hallucinogens and help them.
we can only let them earn it and learn it.

your mileage may vary, but its an observation i share with alot of old psychonauts.

The wise would be well advised to learn from the ancients,
and then exceed them.

Kill em with kindness I say. I feel that when anyone says hurtful or negative things,that it is a reflection of themselves. If you respond to negativity with love, the negativity ends right there. It has no course and that negativity remains with the sender. Compassion towards those who carry around negative ends the cycle. You never know what others are going through. Perhaps they have good reason to be negative?

A few years ago I was in line at a grocery store. An old man was screaming at the cashier about who knows what. Trivial. He was noticeably angry and you could just feel the tension. The cashier began to cry. I tapped the old guy in the shoulder and said "Sir, are you okay? Can I help?" Instantly the old man bursts into tears. I put my arm around his shoulder to comfort him. He gathered himself briefly and wiped his tears, now apologizing to the cashier. He explained that his wife had just passed away the day before. He was at the store buying food and drink for his wife's wake. It was very touching. Myself, the cashier, and two other people in line hugged this old guys. Everyone had tears in their eyes. It was a powerful experience for me.

This situation could have been met with further negativity and this powerful experience would have never occurred. It was met with love and that changed everything! Be kind to everyone, especially those who carry the pain of negativity. They need love the most. We have a choice in how we interact with the world. I choose compassion and kindness as much as possible. Never take anything personally!!!!

16:39:14 ‹mjc›i consider a breakthrough to be when you end up in a new environment, not just a modified current state

DMT salts are included in the legal definition. You can't make an illegal alkaloid legal by changing the anion, only by changing the law.

...As far as spreading the message, you can talk forever, and point to study after study after study, but before those that know you best, nothing speaks more loudly than directly seeing a positive change in the life of their loved one. A single responsible, respectful, and reliable human being is a stronger testament to the value of these substances than a million double-blind placebo controlled trials. This is the integrity of integration, the way you choose to live your life in light of the psychedelic revelation is the true exemplar of the value, or lack thereof, in pursuing this path....

How dare you? How dare you so blatantly tell people to take this mind-ALTERING substance called DMT? It's the most horrible thing that can ever happen to anyone. What gives you the right to command people to lose their innocence and destroy their lives? You mental pervert, parasitic seed planter, mass producing insanity, eh? What gives you the right to TALK about ANYTHING at ALL?

Thank you so much for this thread. This needs to be said, it needs to be talked about, the people are ready. Everyone needs to experience this mind-BLOWING thing called DMT, and they need to experience it NOW because there's no better time and there never will be a better time. It's the best damn experience that can happen to anyone, it will WAKE you UP and make you aware of all the beauty around you all the time. Everyone needs to rise up from the fog, it's so crystal clear and colorful up here. I salute you and your much needed enthusiasm my good sir.

Goddamn you hippies with your self-importance and your agendas. I'm sick and tired of hearing about souls and gods and dimensions and aliens and all that CRAP. This is exactly why I can't come here anymore, it was making too much sense. NONSENSE. It turned sour, everywhere I look I see INSANITY, INSANITY, INSANITY, poetry, INSANITY. Then when I check back again I see a thread like this.. Oh lord give me the strength. You little hipster cunts. Let's spread the word and turn everyone insane so that being sane won't be so mainstream anymore.

I love every single one of you. There are no ugly or stupid people, everyone is beautiful because everyone is unique. And here the beauty is expressed more than anywhere else because you all have seen the unimaginable, the patternless source that makes all patterns. I haven't had any time lately but I miss this place a lot, I miss the love that gets recycled here, from one person to the next, none of it gets wasted. I keep all the love I received from here in a wooden little chest next to my heart, like old souvenirs and photographs that make your knees weak.

What's the point, it's all too late now. DMT gave birth to the monster in my head. Communities like this unchained that monster. Blame, blame, blame, pointless like sending lightning bolts at the mirror. But I'm not the monster, it's not me, it just controls my helpless ragdoll body, it screams at me, controls my train of thought on every single trivial subject. "What a delicious steak." "Hmm, it's in front of me because someone killed an animal." "That animal evolved to that form on this planet." "This planet was formed in the chaos of the early universe." "The early universe came from the big bang." "The big bang came from-- ???? BANG BANG BANG BANG bzzzzzzzzt BANG BANG BANG bzrttrr .... NO SHUT UP, SHUT YOUR DIRTY LITTLE MONSTER MOUTH

This is the greatest adventure anyone could have hoped to be a part of and it just gets more exciting after you discover DMT, after you discover like-minded people. DMT unlocks the angelic choir in your head, and communities like this let you express it, in any way you want. I could never repay all of you for all the things I have learned and unlearned here, all I can say is thank you. There is no blame in here, no shame. Here nobody is insane. Because let's face it, we're all the same, we're all controlling these biomechanic agents that have sensory input and motoric output, while some mystical processing happens between those. Now, extend out your arm, and realize that you're CONTROLLING a THING and that you can do ANYTHING you WANT with it. Now get to it.

This is so fucking cool.