Has anybody else run into the issue of "spice" meaning DMT as well as being the common term for "cannabinoid receptor agonist smoking blends"?
(These blends contain research chemicals which have agonism at the cb1 and cb2 receptor sites, but have no chemical relation to any natural cannabinoid (in the majority of cases), the jwh-xxx series or compounds like AM-694 even have an indole ring present in their structure. )

I'm not a fan of slang or street names, I prefer chemical or iupac nomenclature, just for the reason that it causes confusion when two compounds share a common slang name, I mean if marijuana and heroin were both called "smack" it would cause confusion right?

Anyway, a friend of mine almost took a large hit of DMT because he thought spice was "cb receptor smoking blends", and had no knowledge that "spice" could mean extracted DMT, thank God this person was observant enough to see the bright yellow crystals in the bowl which lead him to inquire about their chemical identity and refrain from smoking the bowls content.

I get called pretentious for trying to encourage the people around me to use proper nomenclature, and I can understand how it may seem that way, but at the same time people always know exactly what substance I'm referring to.



-eg

your right its an issue.

my california valley roots,
long time international travel,
and island living,
leave me speaking several forms of "grow / smuggler /dealer-eese"
worse yet, my cacti and fungi research , sometimes requires brand new terms .

its an issue compounded by travel.
terms vary globally and can be confusing.

i just rapidly adapt to the local terms.
when in exotic places i hire a translator.
especially when in the midwestern US.

until the war ends, communications in the fog of war,
will be an issue.

generally speaking , " spice" ( on the island)
refers to various RC/ potporri THC analogue blends.
deems is considered an elite thing on the island,
and is not commonly considered as spice.

i dont have a clue who comes up with these names or why.
i just roll with the obvious.

Read the book dune. That is where the nickname came from.

I don't have a problem with it because frankly dune is one of the best books I've ever read, and its quite fitting in its effects compared to the spice melange... and I've never heard of anyone outside of this forum calling it spice anyways, so I doubt there is much confusion out there with mixing it up with these weird synthetic canabinoids.

The nickname doesn't even seem to be used by folks on this forun that often anymore, but once in a great while a thread like this pops up.

The Dune reference to DMT as spice is very much a thing localized to this forum and perhaps a small percentage of DMT using sci-fi nerds outside this forum. In the wider world spice unequivocally = synthetic cannabinoid blends in the same way bath salts = synthetic cathinones.

I'm also a stickler for nomenclature. I think it's an important part of effective harm reduction. There are a variety of substances that pass under common names like "acid" "molly" "ecstasy" "bathsalts" and yes even "spice" these days, and this muddling of the language adds yet a further level of complexity to the misrepresentation and misunterstanding of these substances in the global black and grey marketplaces in which they are sold.

I thought it was commonly known by now that Frank Herbert's spice was actually shrooms and not our beloved 2-(1H-Indol-3-yl)-N,N-dimethylethanamine?

In the state I live in I hear extracted DMT called "spice" at an almost equal amount to the cannabinoid receptor agonist blends, which have become scheduled but are still imported and sold clandestinely, even though marijuana is legal (I suppose people who have urine tests either for work or court still provide a market for these things, and though they have found ways to test for some of the cb receptor agonists there's far to many of these compounds, most of which are far too new to have had testing developed... as the link will show you (it's actually a high quality link for information on cannabinoids, including chemical and pharmocological information as well as an extensive list of compounds)
http://self.gutenberg.or...s/synthetic_cannabinoids

I'm actually quite fascinated with these compounds, I study their chemistry, pharmacology, and I review scientific as well as anecdotal reports concerning them, I even obtain samples from time to time, though I never smoke these things, I mean I've tried a few of them, but I'm far more interested in research of these compounds rather than consumption, though I'm getting off topic.

The state I live in is a mess of street names and slang, "Molly" is generally any Crystal entactogenic substance and almost never turns out to be actual MDMA. I think research chemicals are a blessing and a curse, the opioid, cannabinoid, benzodiazepine, stimulant, and dissociative research chemicals seem to be nothing but trouble, it was opioid research chemicals (fentanyl analogues) being sold as "China white" that lead to the federal analogue act of 1986, so legally as well as being a public health issue causing deaths, injuries and misrepresentation as scheduled compounds the listed categories of research chemicals really have caused problems (though if you legalized scheduled compounds these things would go back to being the focus of researchers and freaks)...Though my opinion differs when it comes to.some of the psychedelic research chemicals.

I still prefer to go with chemical nomenclature, and though it's not very popular amongst those around me, I am going to continue to encourage them to learn and use proper chemical nomenclature.



Not only in these market places but in the media as well, there will be stories about deaths from "Molly" which represent the deaths as being from MDMA, but then when you further research the incident you find there was no MDMA involved, only 4-methylthioamphetamine, or some cathinone compound like mephadrone or 4-methoxy-N-methyl-amphetamine or some other compound, yet in the media MDMA takes all the heat.

In the RC market I have seen products advertised called "Motorola" or "red devils" or names to that effect, where the actual chemical constituents are never listed, because these compounds "are not for human consumption" they are not required to list the ingredients, now, this has always worried me, if some poor kid gets in to trouble with the stuff he won't even be able to tell ER staff what they took, it seems irresponsible to buy such things, I sure wouldn't anyway...

-eg

In World War 2, to confuse the Axis when talking about the recently-developed technology of radar, the Allies figured they would assign random letters to various bands of the electromagnetic spectrum (X-band, W-band, S-band, etc) in order to obfuscate the discussion.

Sadly, those terms are used today. Point is, slang and jargon can be made to be intentionally confusing and still wind up the standard terminology. Even the conflicting statements.

That said, I share your sentiment. When talking about chemicals, it's good to be specific. I wondered if spice in the K2, JWH-18, etc variety being equated to spice in the DMT variety, but honestly, "spice" usually means "mystery RC cannabis replacement". So I'm a little surprised someone could even find themselves in the situation of your friend, since the alternative slang term for DMT isn't really widespread as far as I know.

The DMT community is fairly small. I'm aware that terms differ depending on your location, but I have heard "spice" mean extracted DMT just as much as I have heard it used for cannabinoid receptor agonist smoking blends, generally I won't have to clarify as I can gauge which they are referring to based on context, but as described in my original post I almost saw a marijuana using but non-psychedelic person, ingest around 125mgs of DMT by mistake...

Slang terms can begin in a localized community, but when that communities correspondence are in public view of the entire world, as they are on an internet forum, these terms have a better chance of spreading. I'm also guessing these people at some point have visited this site, specially knowing their involvement with DMT and extraction, so I'm not surprised it caught on at least to a minor degree.

Out here "spice" means any "cb receptor agonist smoking blend" regardless of its name brand, or DMT, specifically extracted DMT or a term used when extracting DMT. Though more often than not the cb receptor agonist smoking blends are the compounds connected to the term.

-eg