Auxin wrote:Odd that they call them alkaloids, classically they would not be considered alkaloids.
That indole nitrogen is so weak that in order to get them to form hydrochlorides the compounds would have to be dissolved in anhydrous ether and gassed with anhydrous hydrogen chloride under nitrogen or argon, and then exposure to just moist air would decompose them
Its quite likely, however, that they are specialized auxins made from tryptophan by an unusual biosynthetic route.
Mmmm, sexy auxins.
Smoking [unsalted] peanut skins isnt quite an urban myth. As a early teen I smoked them straight and made extracts to smoke, it is active its just among the weakest of the 'legal highs' to the point that if ones brain is pickled in THC it may not be perceptible.
As a 14 year old, after finding them weakly but distinctly active, I was curious if it was just smoking
anything could give those minor effects so I tried smoking dried dandelion leaves. Those were not active

(its too bad, ay)
"Alkaloid" is actually a bit more broad of a term than most realize, and there is often dispute involving this classification and the prerequisites for placement in it.
From Wikipedia:
Compared with most other classes of natural compounds, alkaloids are characterized by a great structural diversity and there is no uniform classification of alkaloids.[32] First classification methods have historically combined alkaloids by the common natural source, e.g., a certain type of plants. This classification was justified by the lack of knowledge about the chemical structure of alkaloids and is now considered obsolete.[5][33]
More recent classifications are based on similarity of the carbon skeleton (e.g., indole-, isoquinoline-, and pyridine-like) or biochemical precursor (ornithine, lysine, tyrosine, tryptophan, etc.).[5] However, they require compromises in borderline cases;[32] for example, nicotine contains a pyridine fragment from nicotinamide and pyrrolidine part from ornithine[34] and therefore can be assigned to both classes.[35]
Alkaloids are often divided into the following major groups:[36]
"True alkaloids", which contain nitrogen in the heterocycle and originate from amino acids.[37] Their characteristic examples are atropine, nicotine, and morphine. This group also includes some alkaloids that besides nitrogen heterocycle contain terpene (e.g., evonine[38]) or peptide fragments (e.g. ergotamine[39]). This group also includes piperidine alkaloids coniine and coniceine[40] although they do not originate from amino acids.[41]
"Protoalkaloids", which contain nitrogen and also originate from amino acids.[37] Examples include mescaline, adrenaline and ephedrine.
Polyamine alkaloids – derivatives of putrescine, spermidine, and spermine.
Peptide and cyclopeptide alkaloids.[42]
Pseudalkaloids – alkaloid-like compounds that do not originate from amino acids.[43] This group includes terpene-like and steroid-like alkaloids,[44] as well as purine-like alkaloids such as caffeine, theobromine, theacrine and theophylline.[45] Some authors classify as pseudoalkaloids such compounds such as ephedrine and cathinone. Those originate from the amino acid phenylalanine, but acquire their nitrogen atom not from the amino acid but through transamination.[45][46]
Some alkaloids do not have the carbon skeleton characteristic of their group. So, galantamine and homoaporphines do not contain isoquinoline fragment, but are, in general, attributed to isoquinoline alkaloids.
-Wikipedia
As for smoking peanut skins, it's not my place to say you did not experience something, but chemically it seems doubtful that anything contained in peanut skins could produce any mind altering effects. I always try to be very polite when these things come up, because I don't know from first hand experience, but I think it's very doubtful there's anything to the "peanut skin intoxication" myth.
The general consensus in the psychedelic community is that the "smoking peanut skins" myth is complete nonsense, a fabrication, possibly a bit of honest misinformation, but nonsense none the less, similar to "bananadine" (which involved some work, skinning bananas, obtaining a special part of the peel, and baking it in an oven to obtain a black powder, which is smoked, again, this is completely bogus)
www.erowid.org says it nonsense, but since that question was worded using the word "peanut shell" not "skin", I'm not posting the response from that site here, though the anarchist cookbook was cited for starting the rumour in that response, and in this link
http://rationalwiki.org/...hs#Coca-Cola_and_aspirin it claims that any felt alterations in consciousness are purely psychosomatic, a placebo effect.
I have never tried this, and honestly do not see any reason to further investigate any purported psychoactivity.
...Though the indole compounds in the peanut skins are interesting from a chemical perspective, fairly novel.
Though I'll admit I'm not familiar with these compounds, and have only begun to briefly research them, honestly it's fairly low priority study, it's interesting though.
Auxins interest me as well, specifically indole-3-acetic-acid, which is a plant root growth hormone, Indole-3-acetic acid (IAA) has been identified as the major in vivo metabolite of DMT as well, which caught my attention, also IAA can be used as a starting point to synthesize N,N-dimethyltryptamine.
2-phenylacetic acid was another auxin that caught my attention, but only because of my interest in phenethylamine compounds and their chemistry.
...fascinating stuff.
-eg