There's probably 30-50 in a 200m radius from me, lol.
I wasn't completely sure about root bark, about how I'd even go about collecting it,
And I think it would look a little seedy and attract unwanted attention, haha.
So I was leaning towards leaving that out, and after what you said about twigs and phyllodes it doesn't seem necessary anymore.


Awesome, I can't wait to start experimenting.
I was planning on taking a small branch or two from each tree, and run the twigs and phyllodes seperatly

..while all the info is within this thread..or tapestry of chance (and also tree evolutionary defence mechanism)

..here is the data to date (at least what has been reported..a lot goes on which isn't, believe me )


Acacia pycnantha - ('Golden Wattle')

- 1944 E.P. White reports 0.1% alkaloid in phyllode.
- c.1992-94 this author shown in internal paper compiled by a group of university of sydney chemistry graduates which reports 0.4-0.5% tryptamines from bark..the source is reliable..it was from a single tree and was reported at IntraCortex conference 2002.
- c.1999 (?) Snu Voogelbreinder reports small amounts of DMT from phyllode.
- 2014 Nexian Seldom reports impressive results and yields of tryptamines from stem in this thread.


..while it is common, nonetheless please be kind to trees..
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..for any Israelites, and all, here is Judiac Law on trees...

.. Tu Bishvat is the traditional holy 'birthday of trees', honouring their protection..



(Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings and Wars 6:8,10)
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"The tree of life has five hundred thousand kinds of fruit, each differing in taste. The appearance of one fruit is not like the appearance of the other, and the fragrance of one fruit is not like the fragrance of the other. Clouds of glory hover above the tree, and from the four directions winds blow on it, so that its fragrance is wafted from world’s end to world’s end.”

(Yalkut Bereishit 2)
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'And God said: “Let the earth put forth grass, herb-yielding seeds, and fruit trees bearing fruit of its kind.” “Fruit tree” means the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which put forth blossoms and fruit. “Bearing fruit” is the tzaddik, the basis of the world. 'Of its kind' means all the human beings who have in them the spirit of holiness, which is the blossom of that tree. This is the covenant of holiness, the covenant of peace -- and the faithful enter into that kind and do not depart from it. The Tzaddik generates, and the tree conceives and brings forth fruit of its kind.'
(Zohar - Bereishit 33a)
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..Peace unto all of of you.

and respect to the trees..
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Thanks for that nen!

I had a look through this thread for Seldoms post about the pycnantha success, but I couldn't find it, I'll look again!

I'm in the middle of an extraction on a suspected floribunda. (phyllodes and twigs)

Interested to hear how you got on with Floribunda, Kubizm!?!

Only experimented with 65g.
Retrieved very little goo, probably 100mg?

I didn't use the last 3 pulls from the acid boils, they were very clear, only slightly yellow.
Instead for shits and gigs I based with clear ammonia and it's turned pretty damn dark now, will pull with shelly later and see what happens lol.

Heres one for you nen, and other acacians whom may be interested. I noticed one of the ingredients in 'wonder white' bread is acacia gum.. A peculiar place for it to turn up I thought, a substitute for gluten? Or a coagulant of some kind?

..thanks DreaMTripper..interesting place to turn up indeed..
yes some acacia gums (usually A. senegal, now Senegalia senegal ) are used in food preparation..
will look more closely at acacia gums in the thread in future when i get a bit more time..
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^ getting back to gums, and thanks for the question DreaMTripper..if you think supermarket white bread an odd place for acacia gum to turn up..it’s also in coke!

Gums is an extensive subject, worthy of an entire book
(such as 'Plant Gum Exudates of the World: Sources, Distribution, Properties, and Applications' by Amos Nussinovitch)

..the most widely known and used Acacia gum is of course ‘gum arabic’, derived as the exudate from lesions in the trunk of Acacia senegal and less commonly Acacia seyal (i refuse to adhere to the Senegalia/Vachellia reclassification, as it’s taxonomically incorrect..’acacia’ comes from ‘akkis’ meaning thorn, and the thorned ones are principally in Africa, the middle east, and central America)

..the ancient Egyptians referred to gums (sticky substances) from the acacia as ‘qemai’ or ‘kami’..
the bandages which wrapped mummies were glued with gum arabic..they also used it in ink and papyrus preparation..

many other acacias around the world exude gums, though these are not nearly as studied in either ethnobotanical usage (of which there is some) or chemistry as gum arabic, which is widely used in food and soft-drink manufacturing as an emulsifier and stabiliser, as well as in pharmaceuticals and cosmetics..

the gum arabic composition of A. senegal and A. seyal is similar but varies in ratios of compounds..
these are principally polysaccharides (sugars)
Rhamnose, Arabinose ,Galactose, Glucuronic acid, as well as Nitrogen and Protein;
the amino acids are Hydroxyproline, Serine, Threonine, Proline, Leucine, Histidine, Aspartic acid, Glutamic acid, Valine, Phenylalanine, Lysine, Alanine, Isoleucine, Tyrosine, Arginine, Methionine, Cysteine and Tryptophan.
(for a good chemistry summary see 'Gum Arabic: More Than an Edible Emulsifier'; Mariana A. Montenegro et al. )

"Gum arabic contains three fractions. One, known as the AGP (arabinogalactan protein) fraction, includes proteins responsible for the emulsification properties.  Arabinogalactan provides most of the hydrophilic groups that orient to the water phase of an emulsion. The non-polar amino-acid side chains of the protein orient to the oil. This makes it a natural emulsifier, allowing oil and water to be mixed together and stay together without separating. This property makes gum arabic useful in water-based beverages with oil-based flavor components, as it keeps flavor components well-mixed throughout the beverage rather than in an oil puddle on top. And, because it is natural, it is a much more “label-friendly" ingredient than many other emulsifiers."
(it is widely used as an) ".. ingredient for coating cereal, confections and snack foods. And, in bakery products, the gum’s binding and emulsification abilities aid in the formulation of icings and frostings, as well as baked goods like cakes and muffins."
(Mary Lou Cunningham, R&D innovations manager with TIC Gums, http://www.foodproductde...luent-in-gum-arabic.aspx )

in food it’s additive code is E414..

..the largest supplier is Sudan, which has lead to political and even combat situations over it:
"In 1997, when the US government brought sanctions against Sudan – the world's biggest producer of the gum – for giving refuge to Islamic terrorists, lobbyists protested and as a result the only product exempt from an export ban was gum arabic…"
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/gum-arabic-soft-drink-supply-chain
..it’s one of the key ingredients in coca-cola (and of course pepsi) ..hmm, ingredient x ?

..at the other end of the health spectrum, away from coke and co., it is a good source of dietary fibre, reduces cholesterol, and boosts pro-bacteria in the gut.

interestingly, it’s expanded use was approved in the US by the FDA last year

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-approves-expanded-use-of-acacia-gum

..for a part II of this post i’d look at other kinds of acacia gums in the world and their uses..when time permits..

on a final note, returning to the Judaic Law theme from the last post, gum arabic is in the Kosher Ink:

http://scrolls4all.org/scrolls/kosher-ink/


wishing all acacias well..
and peace unto all of you..
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..below, Acacia senegal in Sudan...

Very interesting nen thanks!

^..that's a lovely picture, thanks DreaMTripper,

leads me to..


...what are the trees of paradise?

(http://www.islamicislamic.com/paradise_description.htm)

Divine Trees in the Quran
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> Quran, Ar-Rahman 48-52:

"Of spreading branches.
Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
Wherein are two fountains flowing.
Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
Wherein is every kind of fruit in pairs."

سُوۡرَةُ الرَّحمٰن

نشر الفروع
الذي هو عليه، من تفضل من ربك، أن ينكر أن كنتم
حيث نوعان من النوافير المتدفقة.
الذي هو عليه، من تفضل من ربك، أن ينكر أن كنتم
حيث هو كل نوع من الفاكهة في أزواج
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stay well acacians,
and peace unto all of you
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It's nearly spring!
The golden-flowered trees are blooming heavily in Victoria
I've been keeping a mental-map of all the varieties in my local area. To make sure they stay healthy and un-adulterated by naive fellows.

That they have, it's a wonderful sight. I've seen plenty of A.Floribunda in bloom. A couple of A.Burkittii and a suspected A.Maidenii along the train line to work - the first Maidenii I've seen other than the ones I've grown. Plenty of P.Subaeruginosa mushrooms in mulch along the lines too, although I suspect that will be the last of them moving into spring.

Yeah the polar events we've been having this winter, along with the intermittent relative "heat waves" (especially at night) are a fungi paradise.

I know of a substantial implexa grove that I'm going to test for alks every 2 months or so, hopefully put to rest the ambiguity regarding it. Who knows? I might find a nice surprise.

Excuse me if this has been posted already but going through this year's publications that included the keyword 'DMT', I came across this one I found interesting:

Anticonvulsant and neuroprotective effects of the Acacia tortilis growing in KSA

Apparently the benefits are from simple acqueous extracts , and it is possible that flavonoids, saponins and alkaloids are all responsible for the effects

greetings all!

I've recently moved from South Australia to a town named Mildura, on the border of NSW and Victoria. It's a desert here! The earth feels like sand and puts a hot, red hue on the flat horizons. It seems most of the acacias here are untested, and save for some (very scarce) A. burkitti the ones that have been tested were not successful. I spent some time compiling a list of my local wattle trees that are in abundance and came up with:

acanthoclada
brachybotrya
colletioides
euthycarpa subsp. Euthycarpa
hakeoides
halliana
ligulata
loderi
melvillei
montana
oswaldii
rigens
stenophylla
victoriae
victoriare subsp. victoriae
nyssophylla
sclerophylla
salicina
microcarpa

I know this road to eventual enlightenment will be long, tiring and frustrating at times, but I intend to (eventually) test them all and more. But...would anyone happen to know where to start? I think victoriae or oswaldii? Victoriae for the few positive results, and oswaldii for its abundance and spread. But then, ligulata is also aplenty. Any starting advice welcome!

Cheers.

I've heard A. Victoriae is known to contain DMT

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it is so magnificent to see the wattle in bloom ! <3

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pirateb0b wrote:
..around 2 years is when the full adult alkaloid profile emerges..would love to see them..


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thank you all contributors, Sphorange, Tryptallmine, LowHP, polmos..
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..thank you endlessness...much in the spirit of acacia phytochemical research

in fact every year a bunch of quiet new medicinal research findings on acacias are published, a budding field..
i've been a bit quiet online of late (which i'll address in the next post)
but first, getting into the area of acacia research, i ran into an old school semi-well known ethnobotanical researcher the other week, to whom i commented ‘dmt is the least interesting thing about acacias’, and, after i ran through a range of other compounds, he took my point… now, obviously i’m being a touch ‘ironic’ in that statement, but i’ve mentioned in the past regarding firstly the diversity of alkaloids present, presenting unique and varied ‘translations’ of information via the CNS, and more vitally, deep physical healing, through a wide range of compounds and mechanisms, many already mentioned in this thread..

among interesting tangents for future research -

- Hypermolecules (similar to Yuramemine from M. tenuiflora) and their stability;
see Complex Indole Alkaloids ('Hyper-Tryptamines'?) from plants

- Tannins (polyphenols) ..despite all this attention i’ve seen in places at wanting to remove them, many are really good! not just as anti-oxidants, but also potential anti-diabetics and cholesterol reduction, as seen in this study with A. mearnsii polyphenols on obese mice:
Anti-Obesity and Anti-Diabetic Effects of Acacia Polyphenol in Obese Diabetic KKAy Mice Fed High-Fat Diet. Ikarashi et al. Evidence Based Complement Alternat Med. 2011

..we’ve looked at the omega-3 and nutritional benefits of Fatty Acids present in many acacia seeds;

also, another kind of compound which can turn up are
‘Fatty Alcohols’..for instance - Octacosanol, a constituent of vegetable waxes, which has been isolated from wax on green blades of wheat, it is a 28-carbon alcohol (name also used to denote a mixture of 24,26,28, and 30-36-carbon alcohols), present as alcohols or acetates and can also be isolated from plants including several Euphorbiaceae, Cassia, and stem bark of Acacia modesta [Ravi J, et al. Indian Drugs. 1993;30]..as for it’s biological activity: “..its application to seedlings and growing plants increases growth rate and fruit yield. It is being investigated in humans for use as an antiviral for herpes and for the treatment of inflammatory skin diseases. The biologic activity of [various forms of it] are poorly understood.” [http://www.drugs.com/npp/octacosanol.html]


long chain compounds can be interesting indeed - there’s the polymer matices i described in looking at tars in the thread..

and as for alkaloids and other active compounds, there’s the triterpenes, histamines, spermadines, beta-carolines, flavonoids, unknown alkaloids, and more, which are found in acacias, all potentially active and with various potentially useful modes of medicinal actions

it’s partly why they’re such culturally revered trees in many places and times..
much to learn
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pictured Acacia modesta (Senegalia modesta), native to Pakistan (known as 'Phulai'), India and Afghanistan

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now, i’ve been quiet due to a few fronts of late..one is writing the long book of the acacia, in which the research, beyond the vedas, into africa and indeed the stars, continues…i’m staying quiet on a few revelations till published..
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another is, that sadly, despite many hearing the call of the trees after hearing of wanton and greedy destruction last year, ‘they’ are still at it..i’ve seen continued brutality, tree graveyards, where every large tree has had all the bark stripped off (which of course kills 'em), with, all the phyllodes (leaves) left on the plant..! even though the information that leaves and twigs are a sustainable source is widespread..hopefully this is lessening, and i know, from messages here, that the word is getting around..thank you friends of trees (and nature) - i've seen the cycles before, the darkness, and then the winds of awareness.

now, i think my comments made here last year on the ‘changa’ market were misunderstood by a few..rather than being a criticism of this mode of administration, it was a condemning of the kinds of greedy and ignorant market forces that can corrupt what is a free right of every mature being..larger sale and use of acacia extracts, usually as changa, feed an ignorance of the source..nay, sacred source of their ‘dmt’..

seeing the way these sacred mother trees have been treated, i would liken those who buy into commercial markets, without being sure of the ethics involved are in cases unwittingly supporting violent rape !
..and the kind of damage done to these plants, in a prisitine nature reserve, where small birds nest, the violence, the hurry, the rampage…don’t buy in

ultimately the dmt-nexus does not suppport the sale, or buying, of this natural compound..

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..on a brighter note, when i saw endlessness briefly earlier in the year, he brought my attention to how many more acacias were now being grown in different parts of the world as a result of this thread and the nexus…that was really heartening..and i know that the awareness of the ecology of the acacia has very much grown, at the same time, as well..
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so, one more time ….one can use the phyllodes (leaves) of almost all of these acacias, and not kill the plant, and allow them to keep growing, and get bigger..and sustain their surrounding environment, which they do as soil carers (symbiotic nitrogen fixers), food (seeds), nectar (flowers) and shelter (for a range of small animals and birds)

..now my quietness has been also to reflect on the meaning and ramifications, and consequences, of this all..and to meditate on the line quoted by Seldom - ‘cast not pearls to swine..’
this thread was originally intended to help the trees, through awareness, and growing, and was also about collective information theory..and also information is about waves…
all of this can, i feel, be summed up by a very old 80s rap song:

"I guess nobody told you a little knowledge is dangerous
It can't be mixed, diluted; it can't be changed or switched
Here's a lesson if you guessing and borrowing
Hurry hurry, step right up and keep following…”

(Eric B & Rakim)
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i'll keep meditating
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..let's go out with one of my favourites.. (see final pic)

Al-Uzza, pre-Islamic arabic triple-goddess (with Al-Lat, and Menat) whose abode is the sacred Acacia, which were forbidden to be cut down (her acacia temple is mentioned somewhere earlier in the labyrith of a thread)
Her worship originally took place around the Kaaba (the Black Stone) in Mecca…

..May She have mercy on those who harm the sacred trees..and who spread veils of ignorance
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..tree carers and acacians, peace unto you

keep raising the awareness..
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respect to the trees
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