well what he did was take it and then got in bed...and soon after went to sleep...he held it under his tongue for 10 minutes then swallowed it...that night though his dreams were very crazy...very vivid and intense...he woke up feeling great with a slight trippy overtone

and he doesnt really remember if the visuals were there or not...at best he can remember that with eyes closed there were some visuals but cant remember their nature

Quick note here on the seeds. I went slightly bigger today (2 big thick meaty seeds), again with beer (good quality micro brew though, but I think wine is better choice). I WILL have wine the next time.

The rush came on very intensely at about 20 min, but I immediately started to feel some nausea, so I rushed to my box-o-love and chewed down just 2 d. stramonium seeds. Within minutes all nausea was gone and I was feeling even better than last night, with very apparent OEV's and moderate DMT like CEV's. The mental experience WAS quite LSD like (as has been mentioned by others), but a very calm feeling overall.

I think if one is going to go the route of 2 + quality seeds, it's still wise to use some d. stramonium for the belly. I was up and about, working on my van while I was waiting for things to come on. I think this rattled my stomach a bit... None the less, I am quite enjoying these wonderful seeds!

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-idt

SWIM finds that orally it is similar to HBWR in some ways, but nicer (except for the nausea).

It's really nice to read about people appreciating the effects of Anadenanthera colubrina and Anadenanthera peregrina seeds. These are some of the oldest psychedelics known to be used by man.

SWIM loves these plants. Bufotenine is one of SWIM's favorite psychedelics to vaporize. It gives a short trip, but not too short, lots of visual effects and you can think clearly on it. SWIM has had some amazing visual journeys on vaporized bufotenine, absent all the "mind fuck" of DMT. Orally it's nice too but the nausea is something to tackle. Fortunately Datura stramonium seeds are very effective at blocking the nausea of oral bufotenine. I am glad to have found this out.

I think the few people on this forum might actually be the only people who've tried using Datura stramonium seeds with bufotenine. This is a combination I have NEVER read about on the internet or in any book. I think this combination is only known on the Nexus, but will probably soon spread to the other forums.

It's exciting to see these new combinations being enjoyed by people. It's like seeing a new era of shamanism opening up because of the internet. It's amazing how quickly these combinations are tested by so many SWIMs out there.

The one thing I really love about the Nexus is that we have a group of people here who are truly on the cutting edge of modern shamanism who aren't afraid to branch out and make new discoveries.

This is really an exciting forum. I am glad to be a part of it.

Hear, hear! I second this statement with support beyond words! The Nexus is a truly special place!!

Less than 4hrs to go! See you all soon!!!

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-idt

Fantastic Thread, keep us posted!

SWIM has 14 g of peregrina. He counted 82 seeds (peregrina is bigger than colubrina right ?)
So 14/82 -> 1 seed=0.17 g

Assuming a 2% alcaloid seeds, one seed would give 3.4 mg of bufotenine (at best) ... Is'nt it a bit small to feel such effects ?

I have gotten strong physical effects with mild visuals from smoking just one of my seeds before, after baked and basified of course..never tried oral though..

I guess it doesnt matter weather it is in base or salt form for oral use becasue it will be converted to an acid in the stomach anyway??

About 3-10 seeds come to 1 gram. It varies a lot. Usually it’s about 6 per gram. So that’s about 166 mg per seed, and usually about 2% bufotenine content, so that comes to about 3.4 mg per seed. But that’s only for the average seed.

For the larger seeds that weigh 1/3 of a gram, at average alkaloid content you could have 6.6 mg of bufotenine. Not much at all, but enough to feel it if its chewed in the mouth (because of sublingual absorption). But some are as much as 12 % bufotenine. If you had large seeds at 12% bufotenine, we’re talking 40 mg bufotenine per seed. That’s plenty enough. At that dose there will be mild visual effects orally, especially if the seed is chewed in the mouth (because of sublingual absorption).

SWIM has felt effects from 1 seed chewed in the mouth quite a few times. It’s a good way to test the potency of your seeds. If you can feel 1 seed chewed in the mouth, you have very decent seeds.

Also, keep in mind that these seeds also contain MAOI compounds, and other tryptamines which are also active. It's not just bufotenine in them.

So wouldn't it be dangerous to take them with alcohol ?

Regardless of what the numbers say, I can tell you that without a doubt these seeds can be active at as little as a half a seed. If the metrics showed that a single seed couldn't contain enough alkaloid(s) to induce threshold effects I would argue that the research is clearly flawed. It's possible that I am hyper-sensitive to it's effects too, but what I have been experiencing is far stronger than what could possibly be placebo. Perhaps the alcohol also helps in the absorption.

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-idt

It doesn't matter what the numbers say. It's NOT placebo. That’s for sure. 3 Anadenanthera colubrina seeds have been used orally in wine for a long time. This is a well known psychoactive combination. This combination is psychoactive and noticeable even with just 1 seed. SWIM has not tried this combination with wine personally, but has had effects from ingesting just one seed. Most people can feel 1 seed orally, if the seeds are good quality. It's possible the wine enhances it.

SWIM opened a big A. colubrina seed (probably Cebil), chewed it raw and felt a little burn under the tongue, now he is sitting and waiting... reports of what happened or not later

P.S.: no alcohol added

I'm pretty sure that alcohol+placebo could provide some effects but who can say if what you experienced is placebo or not ?
I know from experience that 'placebo' (expecting an effect) can be quite strong.
When you extract some alkaloids, you can be rather sure that what you are testing is active stuff (if you do not fail the tek).
But SWIM is now intrigued and he will try a seed alone asap. After all, why bother with an extraction if chewing xx seeds provide the same effect ? A anti-emetic is anyway needed for oral absorption...

I absolutely guarantee that what I feel from these seeds in NOT placebo. The first time I had effects I didn't even know the seed could be active in that dose, and I still felt the effects. God, I am getting a freaking frustration headache here from beating my head on the wall. The seeds ARE active for christ sake! Buy some from FV and eat one...

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-idt

They can be active that way. I'm telling you. SWIM has eaten 1 seed more than once and got definite effects from it. It is NOT placebo. Try it.

I found this on erowid. The interesting part starts when the seeds were eaten. I haven't tried toasting the seeds.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26380

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-idt

interesting indeed..

Hmm... little skeptical about the toasting now, for the oral route anyway.

Anyone else had laxative effect from a.colubrina?

I kind of like shitting on psychedelics. It feels so cleansing!

But to answer ur question, I haven't noticed any laxative effects, just mild nausea and I think that was because I was too active (up and about, working on the van). I think staying relaxed is important. I have not toasted the seeds though. I bet they taste pretty good toasted!

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-idt

SWIM smoked some seeds yesterday=)
Started of with one and got of baseline but for the sake of it I smoked another.
I started to see patterns with my eyes open and closed but there where no colors.
Some nausea but nothing to bad, I have a strong stomach...
...But today I had the worst headache in years...didn't want go to work...

Is it normal to get a headache the day after?

The rest of the seeds are poppin in the oven=)