I wonder if there are ways to change DMT molecular structure so that it's no more psychoactive, may have legal purpose and is not hard to reconvert back into original state?

Well the issue is that in many places you'd have 'analogue laws' so that even chemical modifications could theoretically be considered as illegal.

You mean probably this act. "To be indicted under the Analogue Act, the substances must: (1) have a “chemical structure” substantially similar to a controlled substance; (2) have, be intended to have, or represented as having “pharmacological effects” substantially similar to a controlled substance; and must (3) be intended for “human consumption.” United States v. Klecker, 348 F.3d 69, 71 (4th Cir. 2003)."
Wouldn't it be possible to bypass these rules?

In my country we have only drug precursor laws. But since substances have various legal and important use such as in plastic synthesis, pharmacy industry, cosmetics, perfume, cleaning agent and other production there is way to obtain them legally.

You gotta check the exact law where you are. Its possible that even dmt n-oxide would be legal, for example, and in theory one could easily convert to it from DMT and convert back... but it's also possible that depending how they analyse it, that the results appear as DMT.

Thanks for info, neither DMT n-oxide and even DMT fumarate is mentioned. But if customs seize substance and find similarities with DMT they may question what is purpose of it. And if that happens it's better to have innocent explanation.

DMT fumarate would be included as DMT, since its just a salt form of DMT... usually the drug laws have a sentence saying something like "salts and isomers included" .

Gotta really check the local laws to make sure you are not getting into trouble. Either way best to never move anything away from your house and only ever have small amounts so its only for personal use, never commit other crimes that will get you searched, etc, you know, typical recommendations .

If you already have someone from law enforcement testing your stash, as kurt osiander would say, "you f-ed up a long time ago"

You could.. smoke it into legal compounds? No?

If there was a simple way to add a carbon to gramine that'd be ticket. In theory one could probably convert dmt to auxin, vice versa. In theory, dunno if it's ever been reported to work. But no matter how you do it you will have a substantial loss of DMT.

If only there was some way to split the molecule apart for the purposes of getting around that analogue law... and then rejoin it back together while in the body and not outside the body.

Check out tryptophan.
But seriously, we all know dmt and psychedelics are gaining media attention. If you're worried about your activities being in the spotlight why don't you grow your own plants? Seems like a legit idea.

Not worried about that, not sure how you got that idea... I was just contributing to the thread. Growing plants takes way too long for any decent yield IMO.

So could someone convert tryptophan in to DMT in the body somehow, perhaps with another catalyst substance? That is the only way I can see us getting around analogue laws like this. Synthesis DMT in the human body and not in a ghetto-rig kitchen lab.

Our bodies clearly are capable of performing this process and are likely doing so right now, albeit in nanogram quantities.

Techniques may exist for enhancing the output of this metabolic pathway; I would suggest they might include meditation, sensory deprivation, overtone singing, movement training, use of sound and light for brainwave entrainment, and precursor stacking and metabolic activation by nutritional supplementation.

tryptophan -> tryptamine
tryptamine -> (with the help of INMT and methionine) NMT + DMT. Maybe. (Rats do it...)

Or as 1ce suggests, just grow your own plants.

DMT can be synthesised from the primary auxin, indole-3-acetic acid, which can be obtained as a plant growth additive. It's also quite easy to synth from tryptophan, but we don't talk about chemical syntheses here

I'm familiar with auxins, And the proposed synthetic route from IAA. But just because it *should* work, doesn't mean it well. Hence "in theory". Either way, it's probably beyond what OP is planning. Even decarboxylating tryptophan could give you a minefield of problems if you aren't doing it exactly right. But it always looks simple on paper

I read article about DMT synthesis from tryptophan but this is advanced chemistry?
One fast growing, low maintenance and reported big yields is phalaris grass, brachytachys or aquatica AQ1 which are legal. If you lucky to live in warm climate there are many DMT sources, for example in Portugal coast acacia longifolia is widespread. But since I live in cold climate country I don't have this luxury.

What about harmine molecule conversion?

the catalysts are enzymes, the co-substrate is SAM.

the tryptophan metabolic pathway is genetically encoded to favor serotonin production, not DMT. although DMT may theoretically be produced on a side pathway in sub-threshold concentrations, it is rapidly metabolized by MAO-A.

If that got anywhere, you'd end up with a 6-methoxytryptamine derivative which is essentially useless.

Maybe one would be better off starting with 2-methyl tetrahydro-β-carboline? Only 2 hydrogens short but still helpfully legal in most places...


Hmmm... interesting

Phalaris grasses grow on every continent in the world (except Antarctica) and are quite hardy. Fast growing (3 months from spring sowing and you'll have nice big tufts), very low maintenance (once established they barely need water, but can handle "wet feet" and some will even grow aquatically) and (given the right cultivar) can produce a healthy yield.

As for harmine, why worry? Syrian rue is legal almost everywhere.

they grow well under 450nm LEDs too

Well. I live in cold country so I have limited choice. The best are p. brachytachys which is very easy to grow and lespedeza bicolor which is harder to grow from my experience.

No, both harmine and syrian rue seeds are listed as prohibited.

Edit: This thread is in the same general vein.

Got any L. bicolor growing tips? (Links?)