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5 Dimensional Nick
#1 Posted : 8/27/2015 11:55:03 PM

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Awesome quote from the film Waking Life. The outcome seems analogous with DMT trips, just permanent.


"If we're looking at the highlights of human development, you have to look at the evolution of the organism and then at the development of its interaction with the environment. Evolution of the organism will begin with the evolution of life perceived through the hominid coming to the evolution of mankind. Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon man. Now, interestingly, what you're looking at here are three strings: biological, anthropological -- development of the cities -- and cultural, which is human expression.

Now, what you've seen here is the evolution of populations, not so much the evolution of individuals. And in addition, if you look at the time scales that are involved here -- two billion years for life, six million years for the hominid, 100,000 years for mankind as we know it -- you're beginning to see the telescoping nature of the evolutionary paradigm. And then when you get to agricultural, when you get to scientific revolution and industrial revolution, you're looking at 10,000 years, 400 years, 150 years. Uou're seeing a further telescoping of this evolutionary time. What that means is that as we go through the new evolution, it's gonna telescope to the point we should be able to see it manifest itself within our lifetime, within this generation.

The new evolution stems from information, and it stems from two types of information: digital and analog. The digital is artificial intelligence. The analog results from molecular biology, the cloning of the organism. And you knit the two together with neurobiology. Before on the old evolutionary paradigm, one would die and the other would grow and dominate. But under the new paradigm, they would exist as a mutually supportive, noncompetitive grouping. Okay, independent from the external.

And what is interesting here is that evolution now becomes an individually centered process, emanating from the needs and desires of the individual, and not an external process, a passive process where the individual is just at the whim of the collective. So, you produce a neo-human, okay, with a new individuality and a new consciousness. But that's only the beginning of the evolutionary cycle because as the next cycle proceeds, the input is now this new intelligence. As intelligence piles on intelligence, as ability piles on ability, the speed changes. Until what? Until we reach a crescendo in a way could be imagined as an enormous instantaneous fulfillment of human? human and neo-human potential. It could be something totally different. It could be the amplification of the individual, the multiplication of individual existences. Parallel existences now with the individual no longer restricted by time and space.

And the manifestations of this neo-human-type evolution, manifestations could be dramatically counter-intuitive. That's the interesting part. The old evolution is cold. It's sterile. It's efficient, okay? And its manifestations of those social adaptations. We're talking about parasitism, dominance, morality, okay? Uh, war, predation, these would be subject to de-emphasis. These will be subject to de-evolution. The new evolutionary paradigm will give us the human traits of truth, of loyalty, of justice, of freedom. These will be the manifestations of the new evolution. And that is what we would hope to see from this. That would be nice."
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Nathanial.Dread
#2 Posted : 8/28/2015 1:23:00 AM

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I've been feeling for a while now that the history of technology is an exponential curve, and we are just now getting to the scary part. Right now we're standing on the steepening curve looking up as it blasts into the stratosphere.

I can tell you from biology that nothing grows exponentially forever. There are two options: keep growing until you crash, or eventually the curve becomes logistic and levels out into equilibrium.

The second option would be nice, but I have a hunch we're probably not going to get there.

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5 Dimensional Nick
#3 Posted : 8/28/2015 1:29:39 AM

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I see your point but you cannot use biology as a reference for this new evolutionary paradigm can you?

BLESS TOO
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A technical itch you can't ignore, viral like that magic spore,
Laced in life like a blockchain, special characters around my name,
They got game like Nintendo flow, it's always the same you will know,
I can't be pinned down like a Q-Bit, my architecture all neuromorphic,
On the roof if the internet had one, fire escape's fibre optic dragon." Onepacman
 
Nathanial.Dread
#4 Posted : 8/28/2015 1:33:36 AM

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5 Dimensional Nick wrote:
I see your point but you cannot use biology as a reference for this new evolutionary paradigm can you?

BLESS TOO

I would say you can, and even if biology is too limited, pretty much any dynamical system (which evolution is) that has exponential properties crashes eventually. In the long-term, complexity always seems to increase, but it's not a smooth growth, and as the timescale of evolution decreases, we're entering the point where short term variances could become significant. The history of evolution on Earth is peppered with mass extinctions. I don't think it's too unusual to think that we're due for another one here pretty soon.

The way we're treating the planet and each other makes me think it'll probably happen within the next few centuries, possibly within the lifetimes of people alive today.

I don't think it would be the worst thing, either.

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5 Dimensional Nick
#5 Posted : 8/28/2015 1:39:12 AM

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Yeh I am split between chirpy hopeful spiritual optimism and cynical clinical dystopian doom-predicting!

Time will tell. And whatever is "meant" to happen will so.. hey!

BLESS
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A technical itch you can't ignore, viral like that magic spore,
Laced in life like a blockchain, special characters around my name,
They got game like Nintendo flow, it's always the same you will know,
I can't be pinned down like a Q-Bit, my architecture all neuromorphic,
On the roof if the internet had one, fire escape's fibre optic dragon." Onepacman
 
Nathanial.Dread
#6 Posted : 8/28/2015 1:43:22 AM

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5 Dimensional Nick wrote:
Yeh I am split between chirpy hopeful spiritual optimism and cynical clinical dystopian doom-predicting!

Time will tell. And whatever is "meant" to happen will so.. hey!

BLESS

Can you be spiritually optimistic about doom? That's where I am, I think.

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5 Dimensional Nick
#7 Posted : 8/28/2015 2:01:01 AM

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https://www.ted.com/talk..._get_smarter_than_we_are

semi-relevant and interesting none the less.

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Nathanial.Dread
#8 Posted : 8/28/2015 2:14:52 AM

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Instead, we would create an A.I. that uses its intelligence to learn what we value, and its motivation system is constructed in such a way that it is motivated to pursue our values or to perform actions that it predicts we would approve of. We would thus leverage its intelligence as much as possible to solve the problem of value-loading.


That is *genius.* I love it.

That said, as a neuroscientist, I'm less convinced that powerful AI is right around the corner. We're so in the dark when it comes to basic aspects of human (or even animal) cognition, that I think it'll take longer than we think. Maybe next century, probably not within the next 50 years.

It's the low-hanging fruit problem. Right now, we're moving very quickly solving a lot of fairly basic problems in AI, but I think we'll start slowing down as we move into more complex realms, such as creativity. We don't even have computers that can reliably do analogies yet.

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