Friendly reminder that the DEA only scheduled the three 25x compounds for 2 years back in 2013 - the ban runs out in 3.5 months. Predictions on what's going to happen? The general consensus seems to be that they'll try to get the Congress to authorize permanent scheduling, but given the recent changes in DEA leadership, and the increasing sense that the WoDs is a failure, is it possible that they might discuss alternatives?

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~ND

I'm sure what each and every one of us here would absolutely love would be for the DEA to legalize our favorite neurotoxins as a means of providing a legal alternative to lysergamides

Naaaaaaaaa-I'd bet that they're gonna tow the prohibitionist holier-than-thou philosophy of their faceless organization and get those congressional Shysters to banish these chemicals to the schedule 1 list until the CSA gets overturned (or seriously revised). nBOMEs are nasty, nasty drugs and should be treated as such.

I think it would be unfortunate if when the opportunity for a blind eye came along that it should fall on an nbome. I wouldn't campaign for it anyway;

#legalishit

Nbome`s just need to go away completely.
Do we really need a class of compounds that are being misrepresented as LSD to people who don`t know any better & leaving a trail of death in their wake?

I had a couple terrifying experiences with these substances. Needless to say, I trusted the wrong person...twice. Always test your blotter... I found out the hard way, unfortunately...

Out of curiosity, why did they only schedule these compounds for two years? I am assuming it was to conduct further research while keeping it (or trying to keep it) out of the hands of the public?

I think they will most likely schedule it for S@#$% and giggles. Then again I know very little in regards to the new head of the DEA... ... ...

and elucidate.

Thinking of Nbome as a LSD alternative feels strange to me, like when I don't want to eat meat and have seitan as a meat-alternative instead. When I want to take LSD, I do so, when I want to eat meat, I do so, when I want to take Nbome, I do so, when I want to eat seitan,... if whatever is not available, I simply can not use it. To me, thinking in compensations is living a second hand life.


tseuq

With 25-I I noticed some swelling in my lower extremities, I just thought I was tripping until I finally realized it was real. I always wondered why walking on this stuff felt so strange. That sucked. I had no experience of HPPD until after my exposure to this one, for nearly a year afterwards I had occasional visuals from previous trips with it, luminous words on any blank surface, usually subtle, but often not...

I must have put so much strain on my cardiovascular system with 25-C, feeling like my eyeballs would pop out. Intense rushes but low visuals and zero psychedelic insight.

NBOMes were the end of my experimentation with this type of RC. Not worth it. I think most people never even bothered to use a micro pipette to lay the blotters, and with such a steep dose-response curve it's no wonder so many people overdosed. An imperfect seal on a bottle of concentrated HCL killed mine. I doubt I'll ever mess with anything so potent to need it again. I guess the universe was trying to tell me something. 'Stop messing with this sh*t'. I destroyed all my powder just before the ban.

The banning of NBOMes seems to have led to the development of much better chemicals. Though I'm no RC enthusiast, there are way better options available.

I doubt NBOMes would be welcomed back with as much excitement as they had when they first hit the scene, given their reputation.

That's an interesting view. Prohibitionists on a drug forum? I actually liked 85% of my NBOME trips. And they are serious mood changers. From being completely pissed off (and latently violent) into nicely tripping in 2h. Oh and I still live... just don't OD on them.

I'd even rank 85% of my 25I trips above my AL-LAD trips in terms of being plesant...

I guess you still do.

tseuq

Yes I do. I had one troubling trip, where I took 500µg after jogging and I thought my leg is gonna fall off. Well, lesson learned, 25I after sports don't mix. Also have benzos at your disposal while tripping, so you can smooth out spasms and anxiety, but that's valid for lysergic substances as well. Both legs work fine btw.

I`m not a prohibitionist by any means, just don`t agree with the whole boom in nbome`s.

What need is there for a drug that has such a sharp dose response curve & offers nothing but eye candy & a nasty taste in the mouth?

Well, it's a research chemical at the foremost, so banning it bans research automatically. No research, no established safety profiles. My 25i blots were tasteless. And nonsensical eyecandy could be attributed to AL-LAD, Aya or mushrooms as well. 25i was a positive moodchanger, AL-LAD was quite useless imo.

Also don't ingest stuff, you're not completely sure of. A ban of 25i would change nothing, because ppl still would sell 25i as LSD, acid or trips.

You actually just changed my opinion when you brought up research. I was going to post defending banning 25i, but then again it could be and was designed to be a valuable research tool for studying 5HT receptors.

Let's not make it any harder to do psychedelic research than it already is. I've been stuck using DOI because it's so damn hard to get approval to use something like psilocin or LSD, even if you're just giving it to mice or fish, and that's a pretty miserable model of mystical experience, as far as I can tell

Yes. And banning changes nothing, it only makes matters worse. Shady ppl are going to distribute it and other analogues of 2C-I will pop up, maybe Iodo-DragonFLY... good luck tripping on this one.

NBOMe's lack of popularity may see the end of that, no prohibition needed. If the demand is not there, then it will likely only be licensed researchers who have access to it, which I'm sure nobody here has a problem with.

I guess we will see if there is a demand if the ban is lifted, but from what I can tell the novelty has dwindled quite a bit.

Actually banning would change everything.

If something that looked like LSD was legal then the chances are that more people would try to pass it off as LSD with less risk to their own reputation if they are found out. What we really need is a law that stops people selling nbomes and whatever else as LSD. Very much like the horse meat scandal!

You have a valid point. My beef is not with the effects of nbome`s, it is the safety profile.

Further research is always good. Hell, If it turned out deaths from Nbome`s was solely due to overdose & not some unforseen pharmacological effects, it would change my view of them alot.
But until further research is done & we know a little more about nbome`s & their safety, I think my handful of experiences with them is as far as i`'ll go.

IME 25i-nBOME is pretty safe by itself or with cannabis. I know someone who took 10mg once or twice. I personally took 5mg. We were pretty stupid and trying to one up each other's experiences at that point. 5mg is the most I would ever recommend to anyone (and really not even recommend, but rather the max dose anyone should take. I did get something out of the 5mg experience too as well as insane visuals that are almost on par with shrooms and DMT.

There have been deaths with dosages below 5000mcg.
There have even been cases where a higher dosage one time & half that another time have resulted in death.

I would hardly call a 5mg dose of any nbome safe.