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#1 Posted : 7/11/2015 11:17:34 PM

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Probably one of the more important issues I face and one that has received the least attention from me in my attempts at betterment, is anger, and with some circumstance over the last couple weeks, I have been with it intimately and been forced to examine my relationship with the emotion. Damn it. I'm not going into the circumstance, other than to vent , it is not a worthwhile endeavor, suffice to say that several events involving myself and interactions with other humans have ranged from the simply disappointing to the disrespectful to the egregious. In such a manner as to be escalatory, one after the other exceeding the last in it's ability to consume my thoughts until I was left literally seething in rage, contemplating what actions I could take, most of which ranged from the injurious to the downright murderous. I say these things because while the thoughts were there, the ability to act upon them is not. Which leaves me so frustrated as to be in tears.

Upon being delivered with a blow that shook my world, and the fact that the person who dealt it does not in my estimation deserve anything but the just desserts of pain and misery due to the amount he regularly puts into the world, I had feelings that I've only experienced once or twice in my life, feelings that led to a bad place before. Briefly, the last straw was a junky, who I occasionally help with a little weed or a cigarette here and there in my neighborhood stole something, I caught him and berated him for doing so, then he returned and stole everything I own, which isn't much but it's mine, robbing me blind. There was a witness. When I discovered what happened, which was soon after, I searched for the guy, and if I had found him, I'd probably be on my way to prison now. I can't believe how consumed I became. Instead I went and talked to a social worker friend, a female who I felt could talk me down, and she did, reminding me of my path, to spread light, no matter how wounded, to carry the banner. To fall into the clutches of hate, to throw everything away into a conflagration of blood and violence, succumbing to all the negativity that has ever been heaped upon me and scarred my psyche, to die, is not an option.

God. Damn. It.

What is? None of the cultures I belong to tell me to do anything but destroy this person with violence. It is if I am obligated to, and I hate the idea so much I am at a loss. As a man, as a member of a certain "street' culture, the members of whom I consider myself a certain type of outreach to, in any one of the small cultures I belong to in this society I am viewed as weak for not reacting with physical force, were I to find the thief. Except this one here. I feel this is my most important, this path I am on and the members who share it with me, may, if anyone, understand what I'm saying here.

I know what I'm going to do, and no it does not involve any of the things I have so far intimated, in fact it goes against all I want to do, but is what I feel is right. To be example, to change the way things are and both the way I feel and the way that society pushes me to kill, I have to do what I feel is right. Taking the high road isnt comfortable for me, I'm more used to the scenic route...
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#2 Posted : 7/12/2015 12:18:49 AM

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"The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain" Kahlil Gibran

Anger can be beaten, within your inner forge, into something more indestructible and more powerful.
 
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#3 Posted : 7/12/2015 2:10:03 AM

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Shit man sorry to hear of your bad fortune, sometimes it feels we are stuck in these inescapable atmospheres eh?
Being aware you are angry and why is a good thing and you seem a straight up guy who wouldnt and by all accounts hasnt succumbed to the forces your environment are impressing on you. Im sure you are aware that if you react with violence then you are closer to becoming part of that subculture and are no better than them, better you certainly are.
Whenever I get angry I have to try and remember that I have a choice not to be affected by these and that I will not be a victim, I will not have my peace disrupted. Report him to the police and hopefully you will get your things back and can keep some peace, at least in knowing you havent lowered yourself to their level.
 
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#4 Posted : 7/12/2015 4:11:57 AM

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I understand this kind of anger, with regard to the junkie especially, although luckily I think i have never lost too much. You trusted someone, or at least thought they were an alright person, and now you feel... like violated. Taken advantage of. Everytime something similar happens to me I entertain these violent, vengeful fantasies. And due to my constitution and environment it happens frequently. I don't have anything to offer you apart from sympathy. And to reinforce your conviction. Turn the other cheek. Keep an extra cigarette on hand. But make sure you keep an eye out for yourself as well.
 
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#5 Posted : 7/12/2015 4:31:15 AM

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Anger is like a growth.. the more you feed it, the larger it appears. I find as soon as I can start laughing at myself, any prior anger is reduced and most often completely neutralized. Big grin A belly full laugh a day keeps the diseases away, I say. Wink
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#6 Posted : 7/13/2015 6:35:15 PM

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Anger is poison, throw it away, or you are going to kill yourself.
First it will reduce your perception and with perception goes out happiness.
Happiness that can no longer be perceived when anger overcomes your heart.
Happiness is your inner light of Love and joy of Life, the pure existence undisturbed.
Anger is accumulation of the shadow which arises from fear.
Fear is the ultimate illusion, an effect of attachment and desire of the form.
Every form is time and space bounded, so it can perish easily, no doubt fear occurs.
When the form is endangered and fear reach its active state, here comes anger.
Now you know that your attachment and desire of that form is under attack, death is coming.
When the subconscious death comes you fight with all your forces when attached to it.
This force is anger, it is reversed Love, against yourself and put into the limited form.
It is against yourself because it limits you and you are limitless.
You are Love itself and the space itself, nothing can touch you or harm you.
In fact everything occurs within you and because of you.
Anger is a byproduct of your change and resistance to that change.
The from which you are in is changing and you want to avoid change, you fear it as death.
Death to that form can mean loss of attachment or desire fulfillment.
That terrifies ego because it is made of attachments and desires, "I am this, I want that".
The ego is a form bounded by space and time and it knows that subconsciously as death.
The truth is you are not this or that, not the ego, nor any kind of form in space and time.
You are limitless, undefinable, nothing can reach you, no words describe you.
You are the perceiver of all, but not even that, only pure perception of infinity.
No time and space can bound you because they occur within you, not otherwise.
The illusion is opposite that you are the object of space and time so bounded by death.
Look closely into you heart, into your mind, find that you are empty.
There is no thing within you, there is no time and space within you.
There is only space-less observation, pure perception.
Now you can see how your anger is ridiculous, how forms limits you and crush you down.
Rather than fulfilling yourself with, Life, Love, Happiness, Joy and Mindfulness, you were placing attachments, desires, fear, anger, hate and sadness into your heart, so suffering.
Overcome anger and fear with Love for all expression of Life as total complete oneness.
Leave all your attachments and desires, Live the moment to the whole expression of it.
And you are the center, the reason, the purpose, the full expression of all creation.
Be aware of that, stop bursting yourself with anger, hoping that your ego survive.
It certainly won't survive, it can't survive, it is space and time so death bounded.
Ego even dose not exist, it has no continuity, it appears and dies every moment.
Only illusion of time, space and matter makes you believe that ego is the truth.
Over time the image of ego changes and ego from 1900 won't be the ego from 2000.
Ego is the greatest prison for you, made of fear, attachment, desire, blindness for truth.
Releasing yourself from that prison only unleash the happiness which you are.
When you are free so happy, there is no place for anger, your light expires every shadow.
You are luminosity itself, the light itself and the only light of the universe, the source.
Darkness is the absence of you and where is no you, there is no existence.
All shadows are projections of the mind for your own entertainment.
Enjoy yourself, Love yourself, see yourself in every moment, in whole oneness, Be Happy.
Very happy <3
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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#7 Posted : 7/13/2015 7:09:33 PM

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on that note, last time I watched this it brightened up my day instantly maybe it'll do the same for yours. Bobby McFerrin kicks ass.

 
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#8 Posted : 7/13/2015 9:36:58 PM

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It is healthy to sometimes get angry. I couldnt trust a person that never got angry.
 
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#9 Posted : 7/13/2015 9:50:15 PM

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hug46 wrote:
It is healthy to sometimes get angry. I couldnt trust a person that never got angry.


Would you trust a person who is always happy and Loving?
Your statement is made of pure ignorance, even worse the ignorance that justify itself.
Do not trust this voice it will drag you to hell and keep you stay there.
Only Love and Happiness can make you understand more of yourself and Life as a whole oneness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rx7jE1LGLY
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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#10 Posted : 7/13/2015 10:14:11 PM

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Aeternus wrote:

Would you trust a person who is always happy and Loving?



Probably not. How could i trust someone that was lying to themself? It is ok and quite normal to get angry on occasion.

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Do not trust this voice it will drag you to hell and keep you stay there.


I guess that i will have to live with that. If heaven is full of relentlessly happy people i will take my chances with the normal people in hell.

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Only Love and Happiness can make you understand more of yourself and Life as a whole oneness.


Yes, but all of the time???? Life is a synewave. It goes up and down. If you were happy all of the time you would lose the concept of what happiness actually was.
 
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#11 Posted : 7/13/2015 10:26:56 PM

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hug46 wrote:
Aeternus wrote:

Would you trust a person who is always happy and Loving?



Probably not. How could i trust someone that was lying to themself? It is ok and quite normal to get angry on occasion.

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Do not trust this voice it will drag you to hell and keep you stay there.


I guess that i will have to live with that. If heaven is full of relentlessly happy people i will take my chances with the normal people in hell.

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Only Love and Happiness can make you understand more of yourself and Life as a whole oneness.


Yes, but all of the time???? Life is a synewave. It goes up and down. If you were happy all of the time you would lose the concept of what happiness actually was.


Happiness is not a concept, Love is not a concept.
It is an essence of what you are.
You are this but covered by shadow of a person.
Just like anybody else who is separate in consciousness from the source, your life becomes a "synewave" but when you are deeply in touch with this, you are free from anger.
Go to hell if you need to, have fun with people there, after all suffering teaches the same us all, Love and Happiness are only redemption from it cause they are not based on ego but the ego is based on them and how much it covers that much the shadow puts darkness upon your soul.
Peace, Love, Happiness. Very happy <3

PS. You are also trust itself because ever connected to the source of existence, the everlasting oneness and this should be trusted not any person or object that is merely a projection so doomed to its limitation and boundaries like ego. You are simply denying your existence to protect your ego cause you invested so much pain, fight and struggle to sustain it during lifetime. Anyway it is a projection of the Supreme itself, the oneness itself, there is nothing you can do about it but everything arises spontaneously from you. Just know that there is a deeper layer of yourself than ego and it is Love, the happiness itself.
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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#12 Posted : 7/13/2015 10:44:21 PM

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null24 wrote:

What is? None of the cultures I belong to tell me to do anything but destroy this person with violence. It is if I am obligated to, and I hate the idea so much I am at a loss. As a man, as a member of a certain "street' culture, the members of whom I consider myself a certain type of outreach to, in any one of the small cultures I belong to in this society I am viewed as weak for not reacting with physical force, were I to find the thief. Except this one here. I feel this is my most important, this path I am on and the members who share it with me, may, if anyone, understand what I'm saying here.

I know what I'm going to do, and no it does not involve any of the things I have so far intimated, in fact it goes against all I want to do, but is what I feel is right. To be example, to change the way things are and both the way I feel and the way that society pushes me to kill, I have to do what I feel is right. Taking the high road isnt comfortable for me, I'm more used to the scenic route...


Coming from a family of men for whom violence is chastised. My grandfather was an Irish gypsy who refused to fight in WW2, instead he became an engineer for the B52 bomber project.
My father was a horticulturalist turned addiction counsellor who is training to become a major in the Salvation Army and works very closely with the masculine culture you describe null.
And myself, who for the majority of my early adult years was swimming in the circles of those cultures, I have never been in a fight. It is something I take pride in. But holy crap it is hard! Especially when you are surrounded by a bunch of lost souls.
Sometime I can feel it in the pit of my stomach, the fear turned rage. Turning a blind eye to ones own aggression seems completely unnatural. And bottling it up is even more difficult.
What worked for me (strangely) was chess. Allowing the game to satisfy the warrior dominance that sits below the surface of most men. Taking the game out of my own life, so that I don't feel the rising rage from my stomach at those times when I feel transgressed.
This is more of a holistic solution though, and doesn't apply to your particular situation null. But I feel you brother! That guy will get his soon enough.
I think it is not exclusive to chess too, martial arts are another form of game, where the masculine dominant side can come out and play in a safe environment. Sports too.
But then again, you have to find yourself in a situation where those are an option.

This culture we live in makes me angry. So very angry.
Keep the faith brother! You are not like them.
Inconsistency is in my nature.
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#13 Posted : 7/13/2015 10:46:18 PM
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"The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain" Kahlil Gibran

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Yes, but all of the time???? Life is a synewave. It goes up and down. If you were happy all of the time you would lose the concept of what happiness actually was.

I have to agree that the highs are defined by the lows and vice versa. Without suffering, "happiness" is meaningless.

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#14 Posted : 7/13/2015 10:51:57 PM

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Aeternus wrote:

Go to hell if you need to,


I don"t NEED to go to hell. You are the one that is saying that my consciousness is separated from the source and that i will end up in hell if i think that it is normal to be angry every once in a while. I am sorry but these kind of ideas seem a bit weird and fundamentalistic to me. Allbeit in a nice airy fairy wrapped up in cotton wool, saccharin kind of way.

Aeturnus i think that we are very far removed from eachother in how we deal with our day to day existences. Neither one of us is more right than the other. We just see things differently but i stand by my ideal that we should not beat ourselves up for sometimes getting angry at the world, other people or even the weather. It"s good to vent.


 
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[quote=null24]

This culture we live in makes me angry. So very angry.
Keep the faith brother! You are not like them.


Nothing can make you angry, only you get angry.
If your vibration of energy is lower than an object that meet, its strength can bring you down but everything depends on your inner wisdom and understanding of consciousness.
What you are is free and express itself spontaneously.
Be peaceful, joyful, playful as existence is.
Culture is just a prison for the mind, leave it immediately, beings inside should be surrounded by compassion not hated.
Be Loving and Happy, be Your Self. Very happy <3
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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#16 Posted : 7/13/2015 11:07:06 PM

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hug46 wrote:
Aeternus wrote:

Go to hell if you need to,


I don"t NEED to go to hell. You are the one that is saying that my consciousness is separated from the source and that i will end up in hell if i think that it is normal to be angry every once in a while. I am sorry but these kind of ideas seem a bit weird and fundamentalistic to me. Allbeit in a nice airy fairy wrapped up in cotton wool, saccharin kind of way.

Aeturnus i think that we are very far removed from eachother in how we deal with our day to day existences. Neither one of us is more right than the other. We just see things differently but i stand by my ideal that we should not beat ourselves up for sometimes getting angry at the world, other people or even the weather. It"s good to vent.



You can not be separated from the source because everything comes from the same source.
If rather would like to go to hell with "normal people" than being surrounded by happiness and Love then I am not the one who is telling that you will go there but one that points it out. Anger is based on pain and fear so why one should hold on to it? Why just won't let things go its way? Because one who is attached to a status quo is feared to do so.
Have nothing against you but compassionate for ego holders.
Hell is not an end, it is beginning of transformation, just like fire transforms matter, suffering transform psyche.
There is nothing fundamentalistic in being Loving, Happy and Free from suffering.
Presence don't need a cotton Razz
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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Aeternus wrote:
Sphorange wrote:


This culture we live in makes me angry. So very angry.
Keep the faith brother! You are not like them.


Nothing can make you angry, only you get angry.
If your vibration of energy is lower than an object that meet, its strength can bring you down but everything depends on your inner wisdom and understanding of consciousness.
What you are is free and express itself spontaneously.
Be peaceful, joyful, playful as existence is.
Culture is just a prison for the mind, leave it immediately, beings inside should be surrounded by compassion not hated.
Be Loving and Happy, be Your Self. Very happy <3

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#18 Posted : 7/13/2015 11:25:43 PM

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"Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with intent of trowing it at someone else, You are the one that get burst."
"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger."
"One without anger is the happiest"
- Buddha
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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#19 Posted : 7/13/2015 11:27:40 PM

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Aeternus wrote:
[ Anger is based on pain and fear so why one should hold on to it?


I am not saying that you should hold onto anger for any length of time. For example if i drop a heavy weight on my foot, i get angry, throw a complete wobbler and turn the air blue with profanity. Afterwards i feel better because i didn"t hold it in. Also i will have recieved an analgesic effect from swearing. I would imagine that it is not just swearing that has analgesic effects but anger aswell.

Are you happy all of the time?

 
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hug46 wrote:
Aeternus wrote:
[ Anger is based on pain and fear so why one should hold on to it?


I am not saying that you should hold onto anger for any length of time. For example if i drop a heavy weight on my foot, i get angry, throw a complete wobbler and turn the air blue with profanity. Afterwards i feel better because i didn"t hold it in. Also i will have recieved an analgesic effect from swearing. I would imagine that it is not just swearing that has analgesic effects but anger aswell.

Are you happy all of the time?



I am the sky of Love and Happiness rest are the clouds which floats on my surface.
Even when anger arise, it is welcomed with happiness, joy and playfulness.
It is more laughing anger at anger cause it is understood already.
Only when you enjoy transformation the whole process goes undisturbed.
Love makes you compassionate and understanding of phenomena that is taking place.
Probably when you drop something at your leg, it should not make you angry but point out lack of attention to the present moment. Razz
Swearing approve and validate anger within you, it also releases energy but the cost is tension, if you can not relax the tension otherwise than anger and swearing it means lack of being settle in stillness of consciousness. Detachment from the source and attachment to the form that is being perceived, which stimulates limitation, fear and anger, ultimately hate, which is in fact "hell".
Anyway everything is part of the play.
Life is Love expressed in infinite ways.
Love is oneness and one is all.

Ego cogito, ego erro, cor sict. - I think, I mistake, soul knows.
If I am that which is nothing that exist but receives existence, what can happen to me, even if there will be no existence - that will be my purity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2f1EbSy2Y
 
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