Sounds good!... not having to combust the leafe material...

I am now boiling down a bag of old cappi leafe.. not using any acids of any kind..just water heat and agitation...

I believe the natives only use water when extracting the ..[aya mix]..in a big pot full of leaves and bark and such...the huge pot takes many hours to extract..

Since im only using a 2 to [four hundred gram bag] of cappi leafe ...would 3 or 4 hours one hour at a time of boiling be enough time to get most of the maio goodies??

Im simply making cappi tea.. and plan to reduce all the extracted liquids to a paste.. then compleatly dry the extracted paste into a storable powder...

I will also take several days alowing the fine sedement in the cappi liquid to settel to the bottom of the jars then removing the liquid untill i remove most of the leafe sedement then alowing the paste to dry into a powder..

Not shure how many hours i need to get all the goodies out of the leafe material but im keeping my extraction clean and natural as posible without using any chemicles...

any opinions welcome...

When I do caapi tea, I do 3 boils ( on med-med high heat. All stoves are different) for 2 hours each. Strain and combine all liquids for the reducing step. That works out well for me when I make Aya so Id imagine it would work well for what you have planned too.

I believe it is better to do 3 boils over 6ish hours rather than one long boil, IME.

Ok so i can extract a crude extract by boiling in water straining and reducing to a paste then compleatly drying the paste into a powder ...[to store as a dry powder]..

Or posibly storing the paste powder in [grain alcohol]...for use later...

Also if I decide alow the extracted cappi water to sit in jars for several nights alowing the fine sedement to settle to the bottom of jars ..then removing the cleaner more pure water leaving sedement behind..doing this more and more is kind of a way to refine it to a more pure MAOI purity isnt it.../

Well I extracted some goo from the acacia confusa root bark and vaped it with a freebase pipe. The ayahuasca worked just in a different way than I thought it would. It taught me more than anything but I just boiled 10 grams of bark for 30 min strained it and repeated 2 more times then boiled it down. I had 4 grams of syrian rue 30 min before consuming the brew and only got most of it down. I have a spiritual crystal I like and I swing it if its clock wise thats a yes counter clockwise is a no. It told me not to drink the rest so I poured it out but did consume 85% of it. Idk there was a voice I heard on DMT she was saying something and I couldn't understand but I said it would be easier to see you and learn that way. She said something about getting to know me better but my time would come idk I figured I had made up what I wanted to hear and that im not going to break through. Its not just visions im after its just I want to know what a breakthrough is like firsthand and I will try and learn what they teach me. Its not to get high and see crazy things its to completely destroy my ego and improve my life by making me a more caring person. I saw a few cool things and had contact with that voice its only my second time I just have this idea of what DMT is but I have yet to experience anything like that. Im vaping a good bit tomorrow I hope they trust me now.

Also my weed pipe is MIA so I can't use it but I might borrow a friends. I was thinking of grinding up some rue seeds and putting a layer of tobacco then DMT then the top as ground rue and smoking that. Changa sounds better than just vaping it. Can I just eat my seeds weight 30 min then vape for the same effect?

After I read your message I honestly think you should give up on it and move on with your life.

This path is clearly not for you. Maybe come back when you are ready.

smoking rue seeds is inadvisable. It sounds like the spirit of the plant is communing or trying to commume with u and giving u a chance. Like a human relationship i would work with what your at right now before diving in. Sounds like it doesnt think ur ready for more than what ur getting to right now. Judging from ur last post i would not give up this path. I would slow down and realize this not just what u want but also what it wants to give you. Patience. If u are looking for wisdom it makes sense to listen to the teacher and work with it rather than push it and say ur not giving me enough. Hope that makes some sense

Dont give up, its epic in there, its well worth the effort/wait.

I cant see the pipe/picture you linked TheCaterpillar, but if its a glass crack pipe then that will be your problem, they are very inefficient.

I would infuse your DMT into mullein and brew 3g of rue. Drink the rue and wait for the effects to start, then load a bong or pipe full of infused herb, then get smoalking, hold each hit for as long as possible, then go again untill the world tears itself to pieces.

anyone telling you this isnt your path is not to be listened to, if you want to be doing these things then it is your path, its your life do as you wish as long as you dont hurt others. anyone indicating that there method of exploration is superior to yours is wrong, i have been told more than once that because i do DMT primarily for exploration/fun and not spirituality that i am missing the point, surprisingly i dont agree with this idea.

if you want to do DMT for spiritual reasons, thats fine.
if you want to do DMT for exploration of your mind, thats fine.
if you want to do DMT for fun, thats fine.
if you want to do DMT for pretty patterns, thats fine.

the only caveat on using DMT is that you need to know what you might be in for if it get a strong hold on you, if you understand what you might be in for then crack on my friend.

You can become a more caring person without taking dmt. DMT is not a magical cure, neither for psychological issues nor for physiological issues. It's not going to make working on yourself easier. You can only improve your life if you are willing to change yourself, but DMT cannot change you by itself alone.

It can give you interesting insights, new perspectives on old issues, it can demonstrate (among other thigns) the feeling of utter love, utter sacrifice, and or utter terror to you - all experiences from which we can learn. But we have to draw the conclusions for ourselves, we have to overcome our habits and limitations ourselves.

Destroy your ego and it will come back again and pat itself on the shoulder for its own resurrection. Don't fool yourself: if you want change you have to commit to the change. DMT or no DMT. Now I'm not saying DMT isn't interesting or helpful in certain instances. It's a brilliant shining orb of a thousand kilo volts that you hook up to your brain and transform into neurological activity. It's taking a holographic image of the universe and fractally expanding it inside your brain. It's obliterating your reality/sensory input and transforming your subconscious into the director of your play. There's lots to learn from it. Many ways to grow from such an experience. Don't limit yourself by expecting easy answers or easy solutions.

That said, smoking technique and state of mind go a long way. If it's not the right time in your life for it, it could be that subconsciously you are refusing to inhale enough of it. I've never had this problem with other psychedelics, but with dmt it's quite particular... sometimes it just doesn't want to work. In retrospect usually you can figure out why. There's some kind of knot inside your mind that just wouldn't benefit from it at that moment. At least that's my experience. So maybe taking a few months off, working on growing and improving yourself by other means, or simply relaxing and enjoying life for some time to clear up whatever it is may help. Or maybe you're just vaping badly. Or your spice is not very pure...

Well I may be wrong but you have lots of experience with it right? But my idea is that DMT is a tool actually any psychedelic is a tool. Its the key that unlocks your mind and shows you the power within yourself. The first time I dropped acid it showed me that there is no need for material objects or a good job the only thing we need in the world is happiness thats number one. I figured that DMT is also a tool to further expand my mind in a new way I figured it would show me a path in life more clear than LSD can. But I am not learning anything she was not mad with me it was my interpretation that she really just wanted to see how I am deep down. I've only done it twice and I think if she wanted me to stop she would have said to stop or made me break through and scared the shit out of me to prevent me from doing it again. I may be wrong but I had the feeling she was doing the same thing this site does screens you and if they like you show you more. I was just frustrated I wasted DMT to see minor visuals but if its what I have to do thats fine im going to eat some rue and vape today ill see what she meant.

DMT / Changa has changed my perceptions.
I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to see pretty things, I'll admit I totally look forward to graphical delights.
You will probably find out in due course that its so much more than visions .
Good luck

OP i dont understand why you want to give up on DMT after only doing it twice. I dont know how many times i did it before having a breakthrough but it was definitely in double figures. Get yourself a decent vaping device, get your sealegs and maybe give up on the idea of a breakthrough. A breakthrough is far more interesting than any old 3D movie that you might see at your local fleapit but it is not the be all and end all of the DMT experience IME.

Well I no longer want to give up on it. I figured out what I was doing wrong it was a combonation of two things. I had been doing it outside and the wind was blowing my lighter. I did not have a scale so I was just scraping it up and figured on razor blade coat was about 50mg. I think ive got it now I ate some rue today and smoked the rest of what I had. It was var more powerful than I realized I saw some inane things but did not fully break through it was perfect but extreme at the same time. I feel like writing a trip report before I forget most of it so here I go.

I ate about 3 grams of syrian rue and waited 30 minutes I put 4 scrapes of goo into a 2 liter with tin foil at the bottom (I made sure to preheat the foil to get rid of the bad tin foil chemicals). I filled the bottle with smoke in my room I turned the fan off to not disturb the lighter. I took one huge hit and held it in and started filling the bottle up again. As I exhaled I was seeing purple dots and felt lightheaded. I hit it and held it closed the bottle and sat on my bed. All of the sudan the carpet had gotten darker at some spots and it looked like patterns. The patterns joined each other and looked something like a man wearing a big alien mask. The shadow seemed to be aware I was looking at it so he dropped down and started flopping like a stingray fin. The next thing I know its a butterfly and its going around my room flying and stuff. I looked at the rays of sunlight coming through my window and it was sparkling like a diamond. The DMT had my lungs feeling heavy so I got up to get a drink I poured a coke into a glass and drank it I had a strong acid flashback where I remembered thinking my brain was in the drink like oh mother of god my brain is leaking. It started to fade it had only been 10 minutes but yet is going away I figured since im on harmals I can take more I vaped 4 hits and held all of them but the last one it made me cough way to hard.

I sat back in my room and the shadows were back this time it was a alien looking thing but it had a breathing circle in it that was incredibly bright. I stood up and looked into it and all of the sudden I could feel myself breaking down like pieces of me were being striped. I sat down and started freaking out a little I closed my eyes and saw pink balls of energy I opened my eyes and they did not disappear they just floated away. Then I stopped hallucinating I was feeling it for two hours though. It was a great experience and very eye opening to its powers.

The man that did not want to be seen was wearing majora's mask from zelda I only saw his shadow though so I don't know if the colors were the same but its the same design as majora's mask. This realy creeps me out they looked just like this and it says that thiers four of them in the game and they all seem very interested in values like happiness, friendship, truth and the "right" thing. When confronted at the end of their respective mini-dungeons, the children will ask Link a question dealing with one of the said motives, check it out http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Lunar_Children im creeped out now.

Glad to hear you chose not to give up! This journey is only beginning!



Yes, I believe so. It will still be a very crude extract though but if that is what you're aiming for then...

Love it!

TheCaterpillar, be careful what you wish for. It will happen, and it's going to scare the living daylights out of you.

I, like you, desperately wanted to break through so that I could get a glimpse of Hyperspace. It all sounds so great on paper.

But the experience is NOT easy. Not easy at all. You must confront terror if you fully break through. Terror of the unknown and alien.

It's true, Hyperspace is amazingly beautiful. I still can't believe it exists.

I'm at the point where I PRAY that I do not break through whenever I'm around the spice (usually in Aya ceremonies). It's an alien realm. Breaking through is a quasi-traumatic experience. It's a 360 degree open-eyed hallucination. Reality completely morphs all around you.

Don't worry...you'll eventually break through. Try "the sandwich method".

It will take real courage for you to break through a second time however. The first time, you simply don't know what awaits you. The second time, you know what you're in for...

No need to rush yourself. It's a life changing event