A while ago I had a DMT experience that felt like an obe. Was that just a breakthrough? It felt like I was there, it was real, and my conscious mind was with me. Since then, I’ve had stronger feeling trips but I have yet to be as lucid. Does taking more make you feel like it’s an obe? Or is there some kind of sweet spot combined with mental effort? I don’t feel like taking more would make me more lucid during my trips but I don’t know. I’m confused because I feel like I’ve had more breakthroughs but no more obes. Do other people feel like they are having an obe very often?

I should mention that my current method is 3g rue tea, wait an hour, then 10 to 15mg in a GVG. I’ve gone as high as 20mg and that felt really strong.

Any info on having the feeling of being out of body while taking dmt would be appreciated. I'm interested in that spot where you know you have a body and you are separated from it. Not so far out that you forgot you are even human


thanks.

Hola,

An "out of body experience" is not something that could be so easily pinpointed. Something like that can be a tad elusive IMO.

I have had very high doses where I didn't go anywhere yet it was extraodinarily intense. This seems to be the case for me if I smoke DMT on mescaline or Ayahuasca at times... For me sometimes the experience is grounded on the earth plain and sometimes the experience takes place "out there"

I often use the analogy of a coridoor to describe the DMT experience. I say "coridoor" because to me it is implied that a coridoor goes both ways. So DMT may open the coridoor but whether you are taken out through the coridor or something comes through the coridoor to you is dependant upon many different factors besides dosage alone IMO


BTW ...The difference between no body and no ego is a pretty danrned fine line on DMT IMO..

April 30, 2015
Brain scan reveals out-of-body illusion:

Summary: Neuroscientists have created an out-of-body illusion in participants placed inside a brain scanner. They then used the illusion to perceptually 'teleport' the participants to different locations in a room and show that the perceived location of the bodily self can be decoded from activity patterns in specific brain regions.

The way that I experience OBE on DMT is through the loss of bodily awareness. We are typically aware or can direct our attention to the perception of having arms, legs, a torso, head, etc...During an OBE, these sorts of things would not be possible. On an OBE, my body is perceived as my visual surroundings. Most often on DMT, I have a partial OBE in which I find myself to be in two places at once: one version of me in hyperspace, and the other sitting in consensual reality. In such a state, I can consciously alternate between where the bulk of my awareness is.

My one DMT breakthrough was very OBE like indeed...no awareness of bedroom or body or this reality or eyes being open or closed and the experience of being propelled through extremely detailed, highly vivid other realities at very rapid speed.

Shadow - I wouldn't look too much into that study regarding it somehow proving or disproving the validity or illusion of OBE's. This experiment doesn't say much at all about the nature of genuine OBE's (as experienced by people who have actual experience with them). The findings of this experiment merely suggest that the brain's concept of sense of self can be moved into another body or part of a room by tricking it via the use of cameras and stereoscopic (3D) headsets while linking that with brain activity...which is interesting, but similar things have been done before to similar effect. Interestingly, the MRI scans show that different areas of the brain are lit up during these illusions of self, which kind of undermines the earlier research indicating that OBE's were linked to much more localised brain regions such as the occipital-parietal junction and angular gyrus. In other words, the conclusions that these scientists have come to (and those before them, as per the Nature article below) are the sum result of highly incomplete parts. As before, claims that an OBE "has been created in the lab" are simply false, what has been created is a much more simplistic perceptual change. Anyone claiming this is complete and irrefutable evidence of a lab created OBE has departed from rational, objective science and is subscribing to scientism. Thus the useful science on OBE's to date could probably be scrawled on the back of a beer mat in a few minutes. Much more and much better research is required here, and if more scientists were open to inducing genuine OBE's in themselves it would likely move research on OBE's forward dramatically.

A response by critics to that recent study is below.

http://www.theepochtimes...n-brain-critics-respond/