Could you explain how such a catastrophic scenario is "just nonsense"? Seems to me like you are ignoring the impact data entirely in order to secure your own sense of comfort.

"Maybe its just the tipping point, where positive beings, outweigh the negative ones, and lead us into a more enlightend way of living and being on earth."

That is a New Age idea and the New Age to me, is laughable. A turnaround from where we are today to an epoch of enlightenment is by far and away the most highly unlikely scenario possible. How would this happen? How do we go from raping the planet for hundreds of years to utopia? Its not going to happen. Its delusional. We are barreling toward a precipice, as can be obviously seen by how fucked we are ecologically speaking, and you seem to think that we will simply fly off of it into utopia, when in reality intuition tells us that we will drop like a stone. Destruction is much more sensible; perhaps after a catastrophe in which we are stripped of everything that we currently hold dear materially, we will then come to humility and enlightenment. I believe that such a catastrophe could reset us back into an eden-like state, although it would be dark times for quite awhile.

In my opinion of course.

Peace.

I meant it was nonsense in the sense that this world is far from ending. Whenever i hear 2012 from a random person in real life or tv or whatever, "the end of the world" is sure to follow. This is what i don't buy into. Of course a catastrophe of some sort could happen, so be it, We will obviously have to make our way though it.
Im not believing in delusional ideas to secure my sense of comfort, I'm just comfortable with whatevers going to happen, thats life, things happen that are good and bad, im not worried at all. I never said we'll being living in some sort utopia when the clock strikes 2012, obviously theres a long hard road ahead to get to a point like that. Where did i say i think we're going to fly off into some utpoia? Dont put words in my mouth. I said "lead us into" enlightenment, not zapp into enlightenment instantly lol. Something devastating could reset us back into the living harmoniously with the Earth, no doubt about that. I just try to think positive bro, i could tell you dont by your post. You go from jumping to conclusions to putting words in my mouth. I can give a shit about the new age movement or ideas. I hold my ideas as my own, and dont filter them into some category. Why not try to think positive about the situation we're in? as opposed to making up your mind that we're basically fucked.

I'm not saying that we're ultimately fucked; things are going just how they should. The subjugation of the planet was necessary for whats to come. I am not being pessimistic, I am merely being what I consider realistic. If you read the page more carefully, I think you would find that I discuss the nature of the catastrophe in a positive light. There are positive implications.

What sort of "tipping point" are you talking about?

Bro.

The tipping point can be various things. Maybe a catastrophe like you mentioned, or just a point in time when things start to change for the better. I really don't know, all we're doing here is speculating.

I'm not so sure it won't just be like a celestial Christmas of some sort. The Zeitgeist movie, IIRC, put us going into the age of the water bearer, and shows that we've moved through them before. In one way you could see humanity as a whole slowly evolving, branching out to new ideas, enveloping them, then branching out to new ones. Christianity is beginning to putter out (I see lots of waning faith in the Bible belt of the deep south in the US) as more and more people are introduced to new ideas.

I dunno, I guess I feel it will be more of a subconscious change. It's also much less direct and specific, nothing special about this hour - but the years before and after will probably be of such content. Who knows, I definitely don't, I just agree with someone else that things are going exactly how they need to go. It's one of the most exciting times to be alive if nothing else!

Agreed.

It will be an interesting couple of years geopolitically, to say the very least.

One last update for those who are interested.

Here is a tidbit:

Once an enlightened individual has come to equate his formerly separate self with the eternal universe, he will then come to the subsequent realization that mankind as a whole will also come to such an equation as a final consummation. This epiphany that mankind
shall ultimately realize himself to be his own progenitor is the worlds most perennial, yet esoteric, eschatology. On a microcosmic level, man as an individual comes to realize his eternal nature upon dying and he does this so as to will himself again. Macrocosmically the universe, via mankind, comes to its own consummation at the end of biological evolution, so as to start itself anew as well. This intuitive extrapolation stems directly from the understanding that man must die to self in order to realize his true nature; the original sin of being incarnated in matter must be transcended by both the temporal microcosmic individual and the eternal macrocosmic persona in order to
reach consummation. This understanding forms the entire ground upon which all modern apocalyptic thought is based.

The oneness of the universe imparts to the enlightened mind that all shall return to it, often without warning, and the concrescent nature of the universe not only implies this, but makes it necessary by means of its evolutionary dynamics. The death of the material body, as seen from this point of view, is a microcosmic concrescence for human beings, as it is without a doubt a consummation of an individual’s life and the event itself is transformative for the directly affected. It is a temporally dense event which, by nature of its emotional gravity, affects the very matrix of causality in which it is embedded. Macrocosmically, the end of mankind, will be both a consummation and an event that
transforms temporality itself. Essentially, at the end of an individuals life, eternity is realized and due reflection is allowed before the will to forget is reached. The very same will be for the end of mankind; eternity will be realized in the aftermath of the death of vegetable existence and consciousness, having thus transcended matter, will have realized itself to be eternal, which represents the end goal of self reflection; the end of the universe; the precursor to the metaphorical big bang. We start over again in complete ignorance of our former existence in order to experience it all over, anew.

Interesting site, suprised I've never been over there before. Lots of good links to various science and theories. I've read almost all of the things you have listed there. Good job in compiling them all into one place. Hundreds of hours worth of reading material...

A very good resource for those who feel a resonance with the 2012 idea.

Thank you very much, I appreciate the positive feedback.

I hope you enjoy the material half as much as I did.

Long live Terence.

For some reason when i read this i had crazy deja vu. the whole branching out then enveloping then more branching out into infinity idea seems oddly familiar. Over all a great way to look at 2012, now is a very exciting time to be alive.





I would agree but am still open minded.

Bump

It's all Fractal, and cyclical!

Its very popular to dwell on magnificent possibilities. It seems criminal for an astrologer to tell some hapless victim that when they turn 25 they will strike oil so they wind up waiting around for something to happen when in reality life requires them to go out and manage it by sheer will & or luck. It seems quite evil to propagate this arcane story to those who are so eager to find a intense purpose for living out a (maybe) dreary life, with this promise of a time when the imaginations of human beings turn inside out to become non fiction. I used to cling hard to the 2012 idea. I now disregard that notion. If something does happen, say an earthquake, or a volcano eruption, or a nuclear attack, I hand my fate over to intuition. If the earths poles shift, I will handle that better without any expectation (which would interrupt the flow of intuition and natural instinct)

If something happens, let Darwin deal with it.

There is nothing anyone can do to stop whatever is going to happen. All you can do is be prepared for the worst, whether in relation to 2012, or an earthquake, hurricane, tornado or the like. Natural disasters happen all the time, if you are prepared for whatever might happen in whatever place you live, then you have done just about all you can.

In my opinion, the point of many of these 2012 threads, is to attempt to awaken people to the possibilities that surround us. If we are in for an extinction level event, there is nothing we can do, except live our lives the best we can each day, be good to others, tell the ones we care about that we love and cherish them. We should do that anyway, no matter what may lie in the future.

I feel I have a message to share. Find meaning in your life, and love as much as you can. Fear is the enemy, if you give in to fear then you have already lost. Whatever will happen will happen. Be aware. Carpe Diem. That is the best thing you can do for yourself, and for your other selves.

+1

There is no hope in the sense that we are going to miraculously turn things around. I would consider blind hope for humanity to be nothing more than wishful delusion; a direct rejection of the ecological facts. The only hope that we have for ourselves is that we may come to the understanding that whatever is coming is ultimately necessary for our conscious evolution. What many people are suggesting is that we have the ability to somehow grind to a halt the last thousand years or so of historical momentum(not to mention the recently added momentum of scientific progress) which brought us here and that quite simply isn't possible. All of our unconscious actions of the past are a means to an end and this end can grant hope only to those who understand its implications. The vast subjugation of the planet by man not only implies this, but makes such a scenario necessary. We will reap what we sow and what we have sown ourselves is a perfect disaster; one that is ultimately our primary mechanism for awakening.

We have recently come to grips with the temporality of planetary homeostasis, which allowed us to get this "far", and in conjunction with this realization we have discovered that we are simply sitting ducks in the cosmic pond of astrophysical potentialities. We are due for another ice age. And we are due for cometary impact. These are facts. Perhaps our intuitive response of such an event is what we call history; the ugly grapple for understanding before dissolution. We may have hope in the sense that we are capable of coming to the understanding that all of this is ultimately necessary for the greater whole, but first we must own up to our actions collectively, and realize their implications, before we are phased out just like every other civilization based upon materiality. This doctrine of hubris and nemesis is historically established fact. Hope is utterly subjective; mankind as a whole, in my argument, has no hope for its future. This is reflected by our current actions geopolitically, as we are simply maintaining the status quo in the name of inevitable progress. This will not end well. And yet hope truly is in the eye of the beholder.

I always thought of 2012 to be some sorth of myth with little scientific evidence and no real rational foundation. I'm more and more beginning to doubt whether i was too sceptical. Many of the 2012 rumours have at least some foundation. The north and south pole of the earth for instance, like the poles of the sun DO switch every now and then in a cyclyc pattern. With the sun this is every 11 years, and the next switch will be in 2012.

bump.

Here's a link to an alternative ending to 2012, but more like another coming (not jesus). Really interesting if you're into ancient history and the old 'gods'

Movie of above, but looks like it was made in the 70s with cult music in the background... lol...

Air Force Observatory Supervisor Astronomer (1990) interview with evidence of above said hiddden planet

Hey richierich_931, you say you're on the second star to the right. Is that the star i'm seeing over there or the other one?

Could be, my star seems pretty far out there...