My opinion ---- >

Its long dismayed me that people can read books about other peoples trips ....... then take a trip themselves and get the same trip that they read about ............. and then believe that the trip is real because a few other people also claim to see the same . Obviously people who didnt do any research about psychology , group psychology , their own psychology , peeer peasure , sugestion , placebo , the history of the drugs use and its effects , what halucinations are , faith healing and ?

I say dismay because for me to have other peoples trips would be throwing my life away . Celebrating being a clone . A mental and intelectual prison . Mental castration . One might as well not take the drug and just get a tatoo on ones forhead " Happy clone " or " Mental slave " . I am unique and was given a life as a present i respect it and refuse to waste it by being a victim clone .

Its got to the point where if one disputes the elves one is automaticly suspect to the herd . As if talking about the elves is an entry card to a closed elite society . A society where facts , neutrality and intelligence are heretical . EXACTLY the same as the conspiracy theory morons that cant think and reply to facts with idiocy like " But there is not final proof " . A true / untrue statement that they dont understand . Silly people that dont get as far as to think " Hmmmmmm ....... if there is no final proof for what intelligent people say then there is also no final proof for what i say = A dumb argument that disapears up its own backside .


Then it hit me .

I was thinking about homeopathetic medicines that dont work ........ and i know that they dont work ........ but they still do work on me ...... if i want them to . Placebo still works even when one knows that its a placebo .

SO ....... i thought " If McKenna can read gullivers travels , then smoke DMT and then see nonexistant machine elves ......... others read bibles and / or think in " religeous " terms , smoke DMT and see nonexistant god/s and jesus ......... others think in terms of nonexistant demons , ghosts and spirits , smoke DMT and see them ........... i can do the same with any subject " . Then i thought " What terms do i see life in ? Then straight away i thought " Sex and drugs " .

Then my head exploded with an idea = Provoke it = Watch porno films for days and smoke DMT .

At first it was " Strange " and " confused " BUT after a few days i entered ..................... The orgyverse . As we all know explaining a multidimensional DMT trip experience is imposible . To understand the best thing to do would be to imagine a liquidy universe full of bouncing womans sexual organs with no space between them .......... all haveing olympic style sex wars with eachother to get the privalidge to have sex with me . The winners then attached themselves to me like suckers on a childs arrows in , through and all over my body . My fingers , toes , elbows , nose ......... others were just rubbing themselves on me . In my face . In my mind/s .

SORRY i cant be more descriptive as some politicaly uncorrect sexophobic people might have a tantrum . Just use your imagination .

I came down after several zillion years of multidimentional orgasms wich was realy about 17 minutes . Since then i get it every time .


Has anyone else tryed this ? Did you get there straight away or did you have to practice like i did ?

It's a funny experiment for sure. "several zillion years of multidimentional orgasms".. weren't you exhausted? How about several zillion years of multidimentional pre-orgastic state?

Did you not disapprove of people reading about someone else's trips and then not being able to have their own trip anymore? Now you want other people to read about your trip and you are explicitly asking for them to try to have your trip. I find this funny too.

That is chaos magick as far as I understand it

The terms 'ritual programming' and 'imprint vulnerability' spring to mind, for some reason.

" Now you want other people to read about your trip and you are explicitly asking for them to try to have your trip. "

I asked if anyone else had been there ? I didnt invite them . I also said that they think in the terms that they think in and go where they want to go .

The point being made was that afte makeing the plan , watching the pornos and smoking DMT for a few days i got where i wanted to go = Anyone can do it if they want to . All they have to do is to try and to have some patience . Its the intention that counts .

Hey, GOD - for how many days was your 'programming session'?

Basically, choose your program, program it, launch... profit?

I'm still not sure whether I believe all of this hyperspace stuff is or isn't entirely in our minds.

One thing I think is a possibility, is that something may exist that we're tapping into, but it get's colored and distorted by our subconscious mind into whatever form we give to it.

Maybe you were interacting with a real presence, but because you preloaded your mind with sexual imagery, that's the form it took when you saw it through the filter of your mind. Another person might see the same entity(s) as angels, gray aliens, or whatever a machine elf is supposed to be.

Or maybe not, it's one idea I have.

I think that I can see the point that GOD is trying to make with the "sexperiment" and I actually agree to a very large extent. Suggestion is a HUUUGE factor in most human affairs and it is seldomly given its proper dues. But your objection also raises a good point. The "sexperiment" as is has methodological flaws and the n=1 result can only suggest the presence of real and objective facts.

Personally, for my n=1 thought experiment, I am not sure if I would like to be experiencing several zillion years of watching men masturbating onto moaning ladies' faces.

Things on your mind can absolutely color the experience (they color every experience we have in life). This isn't anything new though, and it doesn't mean that every correlation between our experiences can be explained away in that manner. Look at Global's Ganesh compilation thread, or the books showing extremely similar motifs of the psychedelic experience across separate cultures.

Talk to people who have had a litter of black kittens. Once the kittens are gone after a few months, you often will see a kitten in your peripheral, only to realize it's just some random black object. This doesn't mean that the black object wasn't there, just that you were coloring it. Look at the psychological experiment where two men barged into a classroom while in a tussle, and the class said they did see him holding a gun. It was a banana. We're more creative than we realize. OneStepBeyond makes a great point about this.

I think DMT is on a whole other level from this though and it's a very crude/limited analogy. It's interesting, but doesn't necessarily prove anything regarding the whole inside/outside debate, since we have very little knowledge what the mechanisms/nature of the experience itself. And especially since so much of what's encountered there is light years beyond anything any of us have ever/could ever have imagined.

With practice you can begin to see whatever you can imagine while on psychedelics, and it takes off with a mind of it's own...harmalas help tremendously. There is no need to just binge on porn. The thing is, we don't even have a clue as to what the imagination actually 'is' to begin with, not to mention what consciousness is like in that hyperspatial mode. Many think it may be non-local in some ways, which would make more sense to me in terms of the psychedelic experience especially, but we just don't know.

I don't get your rant on the elves... It seems like they're rarely talked about here if you actually talk with people about their experiences. We have a decent balance of people with many different kinds of views on the nature of the experience.

Now if one wanted to program a trip, i can't think of a better one, but I'm with you on the sex n drugs thing, g. It's all about the alkaloids and the ....

On the reality of hyperspace, it's all very very real. As real as hanuman or ganesh, ra or osiris, jesus or baphomet. All the god types reside within the internal microcosm of the divine in our minds.I do honestly think there is an object-reality bound up in DMT visions that lies at the heart of true mystical experience. I think it is an ancient thing, the experience that is, and it itself is part of our genetic memory, just as the deep psyche archetypes that it shines a light on.

Frankly, for me DMT isa very spiritual thing, because i want it to be, for me. That's the path of understanding that I'm on, that's the shelf upon which I've placed DMT in my world. That's not everyone though, i get it.

Hmmm, maybe GOD is onto something here... I found this in an article I was reading:


The reference that is given is this article:

The effect of selective 5-hydroxytryptamine uptake inhibitors on 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine-induced ejaculation in the rat.

L. Rényi
Br J Pharmacol. 1986 Apr; 87(4): 639–648.

Abstract
The ejaculatory response and the 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT) behavioural syndrome induced by 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeODMT) (3 mg kg-1 i.p.) were studied following acute and repeated treatment of rats with the selective uptake inhibitors of 5-HT, fluoxetine, zimeldine, alaproclate, and citalopram. The oral doses used were based on the respective ED50 values for uptake inhibition. Acute doses of fluoxetine and zimeldine significantly reduced the ejaculatory response when given 48 h before 5-MeODMT. This blockade was prevented by treatment of the rats with the postsynaptic 5-HT receptor antagonist methergoline. An acute dose of fluoxetine given 7 and 14 days before 5-MeODMT significantly enhanced the ejaculatory response. On day 24, the response returned to the control level. Repeated treatment every second day (5 times over 9 days and 10 times over 19 days) with fluoxetine caused a longer blockade of the ejaculatory response and the sensitization of the response came later than after an acute dose. Parallel with the ejaculatory response three other components of the 5-HT behavioural syndrome also decreased significantly. Acute doses of alaproclate and citalopram significantly blocked the ejaculatory response at 1 h, but they failed to affect the response at any other time point after either acute or repeated treatment. Neither did these drugs attentuate the 5-HT syndrome. It is concluded that acute and repeated treatment of rats with different selective 5-HT uptake inhibitors does not produce a common alteration in 5-HT2-receptor functions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1916791/

Full pdf article text online here.