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Pragmatomé
#1 Posted : 2/15/2015 10:29:38 PM

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Ok full disclosure, the title of this post – although somewhat relevant to its content – was crafted to bait you into clicking on it. But now that you’re here, please forgive my deception and continue reading…

First off, kudos to every single contributing member on this site. I have learned so much from all of you. I have traveled back in time to conversations you have been a part of over the years, tackling and making great strides into some of the questions that I am only beginning to become aware of.

I’ve been a lurker on this site since halfway through 2014, which was just before I had my first experience with Ayahuasca in a tiny room in a council flat somewhere in south London. It was there that I had what I can only describe as an (embarrassingly loud and verbal) cross-dimensional information-gasm set in the mandala-shaped collective consciousness of the universe that, from what I was told, went on for several hours. I left this experience with a very strong sense that I had been chosen and granted access to all the knowledge that has ever or will ever exist. I remember from my trip that the selection process was based on the way I took care of my body, the strength of my mind and my ancient warrior spirit. My ego reveled in this for quite some time.

Positively, this experience compelled me to build on my understanding of the history, science, and the current circumstance of the world I live in. I needed to equip myself with the language required to share the journey I had been on from the birth of the universe to the formation of the stars and galaxies to the formation of life and consciousness to the environmental programming that has ensured its survival up to this point (and all the joy and horror that came with it) to a vision of paradise that is so terrifyingly beautiful that it must be unobtainable. My auto-didactic explorations have taught me amazing things about the universe, nature and human nature. Sharing and acting on what I’ve learned has brought me closer to my friends and family while sparking off some amazing new connections.

Recently I have begun to experiment with free-base DMT which I vaporise using an e-cig type contraption I bought online for twenty quid. All I can say about this method is that I’m so happy to have a way to find ‘home’ so easily from the comfort of my own home, although I do question its efficiency. These new adventures have resulted in an even deeper sense of inter-connectivity, and while I am certain that I am still in the honeymoon phase of my relationship with this amazing molecule there are some immediate insights/musings/rant from my most recent trip that I would like to share with you.

Here it goes:

We are all god, we are all our own saviours, we are each chosen, the alpha and omega. It’s up to us to manifest any loving or destructive act that occurs within our actionable universe, from this point on to the end of our time. Chaos aside, we’re it. Whether you believe in a god or not, we can still act as though there is a divine connection between everything and that we have a part to play in bringing joy and understanding into the world. As far I as I can see (not very far) this is our only shot at manifesting an ultimate reality.

My initial perception that Ayahuasca revealed to me all knowledge was incorrect, my newer and more mindful experiences have revealed that it’s not answers I get but questions. Better questions than I could have ever have hoped to ask on my own, questions that are worth answering, that excite and frighten me. So I choose to live my waking life with the purpose of exploring these questions, if it’s a delusional purpose it is still the only one I want to fulfill so it will suffice. I choose to say, act, do and create things that brings our universe a little bit closer to whatever my vision of paradise is. I give myself this responsibility, this honor, this mission. I choose myself. Why? Because I am the Messiah… and so are you.

Apologies for the zeal of those final few paragraphs, I’ve tried to figure a way of toning it down a bit but can’t figure a way to do so without saying what I’d like to say. I hope that you enjoyed it reading this and that I don’t sound too mental Razz

Looking forward to connecting.

With love and respect,
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#2 Posted : 2/16/2015 12:43:35 AM

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#3 Posted : 2/16/2015 3:55:20 AM

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#4 Posted : 2/16/2015 6:22:04 PM

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Pragmatomé wrote:
So I choose to live my waking life with the purpose of exploring these questions, if it’s a delusional purpose it is still the only one I want to fulfill so it will suffice. I choose to say, act, do and create things that brings our universe a little bit closer to whatever my vision of paradise is. I give myself this responsibility, this honor, this mission. I choose myself. Why? Because I am the Messiah… and so are you.


I love it when people finally get it. Smile

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#5 Posted : 2/16/2015 6:41:11 PM

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Welcome fellow Londoner!

It's amazing how you have found your "calling" so to speak through the magic of Aya Smile Have you only tried freebase DMT through the e-cig method? I have yet to try it myself, but it seems a bit hit and miss.

Happy travels!


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#7 Posted : 2/16/2015 9:09:24 PM

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DoingKermit wrote:

It's amazing how you have found your "calling" so to speak through the magic of Aya Smile Have you only tried freebase DMT through the e-cig method? I have yet to try it myself, but it seems a bit hit and miss.

Thanks for the welcoming words DK.

It is amazing Smile especially considering how cynical and nihilistic I was before!

I don't use an e-cig per se, I actually use a device call a mini G-pen and it works every time Big grin (touch wood!) but like I say I'm not sure whether I'm being wasteful or not mostly because I have a cheap ass scale so I'm doing a lot of guess work when I pack it. I'll get a new scale at the end of the month and I'll know for sure.

[EDIT] Forgot to answer your question, I've also used a volcano vaporiser and the results of the G-pen are on par with that.

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Welcome to the Nexus Amigo.

Thanks a lot Hombre.

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Welcome to the nexus friend

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No you're not. I am!

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#8 Posted : 2/16/2015 10:05:36 PM

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#9 Posted : 2/17/2015 10:01:25 AM

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Pragmatomé wrote:

Here it goes:

We are all god, we are all our own saviours, we are each chosen, the alpha and omega. It’s up to us to manifest any loving or destructive act that occurs within our actionable universe, from this point on to the end of our time. Chaos aside, we’re it. Whether you believe in a god or not, we can still act as though there is a divine connection between everything and that we have a part to play in bringing joy and understanding into the world. As far I as I can see (not very far) this is our only shot at manifesting an ultimate reality.



So what happens to those who choose no to love but hate? To those that only take never give? To those that destroy not build ? Do you think this behavior will be left unpunished or will there be some kind of punishment in your opinion?

From what you said above I understand you believe that after we die the light will turn off and that's it. We had our chance when we lived and now its over. Do I understand it right ?

But I ask what would be all this good for if that's the truth ? Why try to be nice, kind and loving? Why learn and progress if we can just stay dumb, lazy and hurt people around without consequences ?

It would be very weird not to expect any consequences for our action don't you think ?

IMHO This universe is more that just flash and bones and we all will be held accountable for our life here on this planet. We will be reworded or punished. Free will was given to us for a purpose. No other animal on this planet got this gift from GOD only us.

I respect and thank you for your message I enjoyed reading it so please do not be upset for my questions and opinions. I do not try to preach to you or tell you what is right or wrong. Just voicing my opinion like you did.

God bless you and welcome to the nexus




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#10 Posted : 2/17/2015 10:45:15 AM

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#11 Posted : 2/17/2015 1:36:48 PM

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smokerx wrote:
Free will was given to us for a purpose. No other animal on this planet got this gift from GOD only us


this is such a false idea ,

if there is true free will , why does hunger arise on its own ?
does the hunger ask permission before arising ?

or any other matter in life

if a storm hits , one has to find shelter whether one likes it or not
human beings have been always been slaves ,
Nature is the ultimate dictator ,

sure there is a choice ,
one could go hungry , yet for how long , one has to and will submit

and remember choice is not free will
having a choice precisely means having no free will
as when a choice presents itself , there is option A , B or C to choose from or perhaps even more options , yet to choose means to limit oneself to an option

wheareas true free will means , no need to choose as all of infinity is open
true free will is limitlessness , its not a choice
true free will means not having to limit oneself to any option

the forces of nature are always in control
a human is mostly at the mercy of nature
otherwise things like hunger , disease and old age would not exist

also what is it with spiritualists and religions ( and even science ) that go preaching animals and plants are some kind of lower lifeforms who have no free will

animals and plants are way higher up in the great scheme of things than humans will ever be , animals and plants have already achieved enlightenment and live in total nirvana

animals are great teachers of nature and the righteous way to live

look at a lion , it hunts when hungry and only as much as required

humans on the other hand , kill , process , package , store and sell meat ,
also humans always kill more than they need
not only that humans even hunt for fun and sport ,

who is more enlightened ? who is more wise ?

the lion or the human

ever see a lion live in worry about future and financial issues ,

humans are pathetic and weak , the best thing humans can do is learn from plants and animals how to live in harmony with nature

be like the lion , live free , live strong , live in harmony
illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
 
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#12 Posted : 2/17/2015 1:49:20 PM

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also .......


hey pragmatome

welcome to The Nexus Smile
illusions !, there are no illusions
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#13 Posted : 2/17/2015 4:24:41 PM

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Well said Jin! You forgot to mention that they don't over produce, keeping their species gene pool top notch. I definitely can't say this about humans with supposed free will I'd hate to say. But to each their own with their bliefs.Smile
 
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#14 Posted : 2/17/2015 8:19:52 PM

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Hey smoker

First off…
smokerx wrote:
I respect and thank you for your message I enjoyed reading it so please do not be upset for my questions and opinions. I do not try to preach to you or tell you what is right or wrong. Just voicing my opinion like you did.

I am honoured that you took the time it took to share your thoughts.

Now…
smokerx wrote:
From what you said above I understand you believe that after we die the light will turn off and that's it. We had our chance when we lived and now its over. Do I understand it right ?

I don’t know. To be fair, I don’t think that I positioned myself on either side of the fence with anything I said. My real point is that is doesn’t matter either way, there are five options as I see it:
1. You believe that there are consequences after death and you choose to live as a (for want of a better word) creator
2. You believe that there are consequences after death and you choose to live as a (for want of a better word) destroyer
3. You don’t believe that there are consequences after death and you choose to live as a creator
4. You don’t believe that there are consequences after death and you choose to live as a destroyer
5. Indifference/Ignorance

For me 1 is equivalent to 3 and 2 is equivalent to 4. Either way you choose to be positive or you choose to be negative, that decision is yours not matter your circumstance/starting point. There’s a long argument in my last point but I’ll stand by it with the caveat that your starting point is always right now.

smokerx wrote:
But I ask what would be all this good for if that's the truth ? Why try to be nice, kind and loving? Why learn and progress if we can just stay dumb, lazy and hurt people around without consequences ?

Because why not? That’s not a cop out either, I mean it. Either you are subject to judgement or you’re not, the choice to ease or cause suffering is always there so why not choose to ease. I may not have adequate faculties to do so but I cannot by way of thought experiment think of any reason why one would choose to be the cause of suffering. So why do some people cause suffering then? For the most part I believe these people to belong to category 5.

smokerx wrote:
So what happens to those who choose no to love but hate? To those that only take never give? To those that destroy not build ? Do you think this behavior will be left unpunished or will there be some kind of punishment in your opinion?

smokerx wrote:
It would be very weird not to expect any consequences for our action don't you think ?

I do think people face consequences for their actions. They do so when they are alive, the punishment is either dished out by their peers and/or it is dished out by themselves. As a person who has done bad things I know this to be true of at least my situation.

In death I believe something similar happens, either we are punished by god (or something equivalent) or we suffer those final moments of consciousness with nothing but the memory of trespasses. Again, for me, these are equally dreadful prospects.

smokerx wrote:
IMHO This universe is more that just flash and bones and we all will be held accountable for our life here on this planet. We will be reworded or punished. Free will was given to us for a purpose. No other animal on this planet got this gift from GOD only us.

Mate, while I choose not to believe in this literally I do choose to join you in living as though it were the truth.

Thanks for the welcome! Thumbs up
 
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#15 Posted : 2/17/2015 8:25:00 PM

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Jin wrote:
also .......


hey pragmatome

welcome to The Nexus Smile


Thanks Jin! I'm not sure if I agree with all you said above but I need a bit more time to digest it all! Understandably I'm sure Wink

I'll post a reply once I have a good handle on it.

Also just want to say that, even though is my first post, I'm totally sold on The Nexus... this place is too dope Cool
 
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#16 Posted : 2/17/2015 8:35:59 PM

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#17 Posted : 2/17/2015 10:50:05 PM

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@Jin What you explained to me is just an animal instinct. I understand that and I agree with you to some extent.

Let me explain on very simple example what I mean when I say free will. I will mention two insects. Bee and Locust. Bee will always be a Bee and Locust Locust. Bee will always be in harmony with nature pollinating flowers. Bee has no choice to become anything else. Now the same as Locust always will be Locust living as parasite destroying all in its way. What ever you do you will never make Locust do what Bee does.

Now back to humans and free will. Now its very simple with the example above. Human can choose to be or live like Bee or Locust. Humans can choose to either live in harmony with nature and all other humans or can choose to be like Locust and live like parasites like many humans do. This is possible only because of our free will.

Any of us humans at any time can decide to be Bee or Locust and no other species on Earth can do that.This is FREE WILL my friend and that is why humans are on the top of chain not bottom. The true is that some choose deliberately to be at the bottom and that's only because they have their free will and for our choices IMHO we will be judged. No one will escape judgement for life we lived unless you do not know what bad or good you are doing.

We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another.

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#18 Posted : 2/17/2015 11:01:46 PM

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I say then lets rather believe in GOD if that can makes us a better man Thumbs up Smile
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Sounds like again your describing choice. I spent a great deal of time typing arguments but then I decided what's the point and erased it. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours. Bottom line is that I absolutely disagree that in order to be a good person or a better person one has to believe in God. I know plenty that believe in God and are some of the biggest scum of the human race. So believing in a god doesn't make you a good person any more than it makes you a locust/bee. It just means there's no immediate consequences, the cop out is to say he's going to wait for you to die first.Confused
I normally don't discuss beliefs because I'm not in the business of forcing my beliefs or trying to convince people that my way is the right way, which usually is the case with religion. But every now and then I have to put my two cents in.Thumbs up
 
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Pragmatomé , welcome! Interesting first post...




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
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