Hi all,

I've been experimenting with "Ayahuasca" for the better part a month, and it's been amazing to say the least. I've worked my way up to what I've calculated/feels like roughly 200mg, and I'll keep going, but what would be a breakthrough dose? 200mg is certainly far from it for me... I don't want to rush in or anything, but I don't want to run out of Acacia before I get there either. The description of hyperspace that I've read leave me in absolute bewilderment, and even at 200mg, seem light years away from anything I've experienced.

Thanks everyone!

200mg of what? Harmin? Harmalin? DMT ?

200mg DMT (from Acacia confusa) + 3.8g Syrian Rue (Ground into a fine powder)

It is better to make a tea from the rue. Boil three times with fresh water and combine and reduce the boilings. Or salt them Manske style, so you can weigh a dose.

Try taking 50 mg DMT and 100 mg harmalas together. Repeat this dose after 30 minutes. Keep repeating until you are where you want to be.

200mg dmt appears to be far too high. If that doesn't get you where you want to be, change up your maoi ingestion. This can be a tricky thing.... I'd strongly advise against upping your dmt dose.

200mg didn't seem that bad at all, but it's interesting the maoi may be the issue. I've tried taking the Rue 5 and 15 minutes before the Acacia brew, but both produced the same effect Should I perhaps try 20 or 30 minutes before the brew? Or increase the amount of Rue to 7g or something?

hello PH0Man,


what does this mean? how did you calculate/feel out 200mg? do you have scales? how do you know what 200mg is meant to feel like?

Anyway, 200mg is a very healthy dose for most folks, the reason 200mg was smooth and not overly intense may have been due to not absorbing all the DMT, this might be because the level of harmalas wasnt high enough.

i would follow the advice of others, brew the seeds (3x1hr), combine and reduce.

I would then work out how much rue you need in order to make walking difficult and have serious tracers. i would then drink that amount of rue combined with your Magic.

i need a high level of DMT to do the buisness but i worked up to about 9-10 grams of rue before i started to increase the DMT to a high dosage. If you keep the DMT at 200mg and double the rue, thus reaching full inhibition, you may be in for a hell of a shock.

slowly slowly, catchy magic monkey

I've also noticed that for some, taking harmalas prior and also with dmt can be beneficial. More experimentation is in order, but as 3rdI said...take it slow with the dmt if you up your harmalas.

Ingesting (ground up) rue seeds is unreliable as a means of preserving ingested pure DMT in the digestive system. Maybe it works better when ingesting both rue and mimosa or rue and acacia plant material, because then the two components are digested and taken up simultaneously. With extracted DMT, use extracted harmalas. A tea will do, but doing a Manske precipitation is not very hard and gives an extract that can be more accurately dosed.

My personal experience is that extracted DMT and extracted harmalas work best when ingested together. Any delay between ingestion lessens the effect for me and also for the friends with whom I have been experimenting with these parameters. I wonder if the much repeated "wisdom" of waiting 30 minutes between harmalas and DMT is really accurate and appropriate when using extracts. Besides, isn't the native and original "ayahuasca" brew also ingested as a combination?

Repeating the dose? Hmmmmm, did you ever do a single dose that will take you to DMT zone of 3 hours?

Anyway can you elaborate on this, me and my husband do pharma exactly to opposite way, just curious.

Hi Jox,

I think I see what you mean and I agree. But.. this was in response to someone who is not satisfied with 200 mg DMT at his present method of administration. I reckoned that if OP follows my advice, he will not need a third consecutive dose.

At the same time I agree that it would be more wise to either recommend 100 mg harmalas combined with 25 mg DMT doses at intervals of least 30 minutes or 100 mg harmalas combined with 50 mg DMT doses at intervals of at least 60 minutes.

Another factor at play here is that it may take a few sessions before one knows how to tune into the experience properly. Learning how to do that over time also greatly reduces the necessary doses.

EDIT:
On second reading, maybe I don't know exactly what you mean by "the opposite way". If by this you mean taking the whole effective dose at once then I would elaborate by saying that I myself like to build up in portions spaced by 30 minutes because it spreads the peak of the experience into more of a plateau. On the whole it makes the experience less like a rollercoaster.

The other reason to advise a gradual building up of the dose is to allow one to find one's personal effective dose with less risk of overshooting with say 100 mg of DMT more than needed..