Hello everybody!

Have you ever experienced healing of physical or psychological issues as a result of tripping on DMT (or other entheogenic drugs)?

(I ask this as a part of my ongoing research on entheogens in spiritual practice. Replies can be quoted in my upcoming research paper. See entheogenstudy.org if you are interested in being more broadly interviewed about your entheogen practice.)

Yes.
I can tell you unequivocally, that DMT & Psilocybin are the reason I stopped taking the anti-depressants I was prescribed; this happened in a very short space of time (even without withdrawal).
It also removed my addiction to opiates, alcohol and meat.

Psilocybin and DMT have been key components in a long term personal healing transformation. They have helped me more than anything else to manage depression and to gain intense perspective on myself and my place in the world.

Thank you.

Is it possible to explain how this healing happened? Is the healing effect linked to transformative, life-changing DMT/psilocybin experiences, or is something else going on?

How often have you used psilocybin and DMT during this healing process?

gratuitous_atheist: you say it happened in a very short space of time - do you mean something like a few weeks? How long ago was this, and have previous problems ever returned?

Felnik: over what time period did this take place? Do you feel that the healing of depression is an ongoing process, or does it belong to the past?

While I wouldn't say that I suffer from depression, the entheogens, shrooms, salvia, dmt, and harmalas have all helped me to see the wonder in life, and as a by product I have felt renewed energy in my studies at my university and my overall attitude. I feel very grateful for my family and all of those close to me. Just recently I have decided to take a much needed break from cannabis, which I mostly attribute to my use of entheogens. Life is good!

Mine is an ongoing process and practice covering about 7 years.

No, it was literally in the space of 48-72 hours.

The anti-depressants I was on were long term, and I was physically addicted. I would get a wired "fried brain zappy feeling" along with insomnia and anxiety if I was ever late on my dose. This was many years ago now, so I'm probably not going to articulate it as best as I could have, but after I took a proper dose of DMT, it was more then just personally transformative, it must also have been physiological.

The anti-depressants I was taking attach themselves to the same receptors as DMT does, so I missed a dose deliberately (so I could take the DMT un-affected by them). The next night I did the same, took a dose of DMT again, and by the 3rd day I no longer felt the need to take my AD's, and haven't since.

The problems have never returned. I started to feel like a human being again, and with semi-regular DMT/Psilocybin use, my opiate abuse rapidly declined and then also vanished, along with my habitual alcohol abuse which was almost instant. This all coincided with my sudden realisation that eating meat was also extremely un-natural and bad for me.

I now lead a full, healthy and meditative life, and still continue to use Entheogens.

I would also add, that before my DMT use began, I was regularly taking many other drugs including LSD, Ketamine and MDMA, but none of those had the transformative effectiveness of DMT.

Check my post on Borderline Personality dissorder.

For me it helps me see the error in my ways and strengthens my
conscience so i can make better choices in the future. Sometimes
ive had bad visions that make me wonder why my mind would
come up with such things. Its shown me truths about myself that
were hard to take in but have definitely helped make me a better
person.

I've found that with DMT and psilocybin in particular, that aside from the psychological 'cleansing' that I tend to experience, there is a concrete physical feeling that accompanies deep spiritual transformative experiences. It tends to feel like a menthol sensation over my whole body. When I get this feeling, it is always accompanied by a major healing of my body and mind. For example, my first encounter with this was on a breakthru dose of smoked DMT, after which I was no longer addicted to Klonopin.

Dear entheogenstudy and other kindred nexus spirits.

I find that DMT and in particular psilocybin, when used int he right context, create a spiritual "connected" state to the world around me. There is no questions that these entheogens have therapeutic value.

Read this recent article in the New Yorker Magazine

"Research into psychedelics, shut down for decades, is now yielding exciting results"

http://www.newyorker.com...aft&utm_medium=email

peace and love

J

Thanks for your replies everybody. It is great to read your stories.

gratuitous_atheist: Wonderful healing story. May I ask how many years ago this was, and your approximate age at the time? Also - with your history of addiction, have you ever felt threatened by addiction to DMT & psilocybin? Is there a pull toward frequent repetition of special experience? If not, is it possible to explain why?

Jox: You are referring to your post from July 30, 2014, in the thread "My Work with difficult trips", right? Quite intense. Am I understanding you correctly as saying that this healing process lasted from about 2012 to 2014? How is your life situation right now? (I was once in a relationship with a woman psychologist with BPD, so you have my respect if you are able to deal with this.)

Mushroomadness: Do you see this as happening more on a psychological or a spiritual level? How do you deal with the confrontation with "hard truths" about yourself while tripping? And what drugs do you use?

Psybin: Are you saying that spiritual transformative experiences are accompanied both by psychological cleansing and the menthol sensation, or do they sometimes occur separately? How long ago did you lose the Klonopin addiction? Do you have other examples?

Jalaxaposse: It's a great article. The general discourse on entheogens is truly undergoing major changes.

No, I am referring to these threads:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=461951#post461951
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=527751#post527751

This one is my report on bpdfamily.com forum. Moderator decided to merge all my reports, which includes work with Ibogaine, a little confusing though. It is not psychedelic forum so they don't want many threads of this topic...

http://bpdfamily.com/mes...index.php?topic=147409.0

We are working with pharma microdosing, I haven't written any report of this work though, if interested let me know. I think I have some more reports on nexus.

Thank you for understanding. Splitting still happens, I ask myself how I ended up in this situation.

most definitely

@ entheogenstudy

Not ment to be an attack ....... just some thoughts to maybe think about ---- >

My opinion ---- >

1 - Are you serious ? Your doing a " study " about hearsay with no proof that comes from anonymous sources in the internet ? Are all the people that use the net honest ? What will your " study " say / what value / relevance " could " it have when i and others answer 43 times under different identitys and lie ? Did you look at all the hype in the net by people who claim that cannabis cures cancer ?


2 - You talk about anonimity and then name / recomend three major NSA sources of information . Three sources that are subject to US law = Its a physical imposibility that they are anonymous as that would be against US law .


3 - Did the people have the problems that they claim ? For example there are a lot of people here and on similar web sites that claim that they have depresion . Then when one asks them about their medical history and the background one sees that MANY of them havent got real depression .......... they are just dissatisfied with themselves and their " lives " .


4 - How many of the people that claim that they had a problem and that it was healed by drugs would have come to the same result just by waiting untill they were mature ........ or just untill the " problem " went away naturaly ? By that i mean for example growing pains and the insecurity that young people often have ......... that go away when they grow up and / or actualy do something with their lives ......... like make things , build things , have a family , have a job ........ and how many of them havent realy got a life = they spend a lot of time abuseing drugs to try to compenste for the lack of personal experience ........ That drugs / drug abuse are the center of their lives ?


5 - How many of them would have experienced spontanious healing ? For example like people who have masive tumors that just go away with no help .


6 - How many of them would have been healed just because they realised that they have poblems and actualy spend some time honestly thinking about them , themselves , why they have the problem and what they could do to aleviate it ? For example some people still claim that ibogain cures adiction thereby ignoring the two years of acompanyed regular psychologic therapy that the adicts have .


7 - In the PDF after reading the " vacume cleaner salesman " style abstract i cant get passed the first paragaph of the introduction .

In the abstract you use the word " Qualitive " two times incorectly . The word is used in conection with ...... GOOD ...... quality and not things of very little or no quality . What quality does a " study " have that has no proof , is anonymous ( = open to manipulation ) and is so subjective ?


8 - " which is deemed the most efficacious methodology for gaining an in-depth understanding of how the spiritual use of entheogens takes place and what are its implications for life, health and spirituality. "

By who ? Has that person actualy got an IQ ? The only way to do what you want and get anywhere near reliable results is to talk to people face to face and check what they say and their experience .


9 - You use the word entheogen incorectly . You need to read ...... or reread the explanation for the word writen by the people that invented it and what they wanted to get across . I think that its in " The encyclopaedea of psychedelic drugs " by Peter Stafford . There is no divine pesence . Useing the word divine sugests another presence besides ones own . Something external = GOD .

In us all is an " original spark " . The real you without the conditioning that we are subject to . That that watches and ...... sometime ...... decides . The center of a lot of religeons and philosophys . The light within , enlightenment , the white light , white light experiences ....... look at all the words that are used in conection with understanding around the world and through history that have the word light in them ......... not only in english . We have learned not to " see " it . BUT ...... its posible ........ if one is spiritual = honest ...... to find it and to experience it ...... by looking within us . PART of that is the experience that ignorant fools call " Ego death " .


10 - Do we know what placebo is and how / why it works ?


11 - " proper use "

What is proper use ? Who decides what proper use is ? Someone who projects their ( lack of ) " morals and ethics " on others ? Is escapeism / recreational use / experimentation NOT proper use ?


12 - " The category of entheogens is therefore broadly overlapping with those of psychedelics and hallucinogens, "

Are you saying that you think that entheogen = psychedelic = hallucinogen ? Entheogens are tools that one can ....... theoreticly ...... use to help one mature and / or solve problems / improve ones mind / life . Of themselves they do not do that . A person uses a tool to get themselves in an unusual state . A state where they have to look at and deal with things differently because they have never seen them in that way before . Then they see their problems differently ...... with different prioritys ...... and because of that they can solve their own problem/s .

Entheogenic drugs dont solve problems but they can be used to help one solve ones problems . The emphasis being on actualy wanting to solve the problem and not on the drug itself . Just throwing entheogens down ones neck doesnt solve problems . AND if the drug solves problems ...... why not just give the patient a full narcosis and then inject them with the drug .......... = IF the drug solves problems the patient would then be healed when they wake up . Does that work ? = No ........ its not the drug its the person themselves and their intention and actualy trying to honestly find answers .


The BEST statement in the whole thread = ---- >

"PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS DON'T CHANGE YOU- THEY DON'T CHANGE YOUR CHARACTER-UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE CHANGED THEY ENABLE CHANGE THEY CAN'T IMPOSE IT...."
-ALEXANDER SHULGIN

Hello God. Thank you for your critique. If you are interested, I have replies.

1. The study is qualitative in the sense that it aims to explore the users' own perceptions of how drugs affect them and their lives. It does not aim to "prove" anything, which is normal for qualitative studies. It is possible that people lie, which is possible in every kind of study where people are asked to provide information. As far as this is a problem, it is probably less so for a qualitative interview study where people have to invest some time to take part.

2. Users are anonymous to me. They are probably not anonymous to the NSA, which applies also to posts at this forum. Unless, perhaps, they use Tor, which some do. The NSA is after many things, but my analysis would be that they are not greatly concerned with people who describe their own experiences with illegal drugs. The opposite would be problematic for the existence of this forum to the exact same extent that it is problematic for participation in my study. We can debate how secure Tor is, but US law does not as far as I know explicitly forbid anonymity.

3. People can claim to be depressed without being clinically depressed. My concern is with how people experience their lives after using entheogens, so the matter is not of primary concern to me.

4. As you say, it is very hard to identify the "real" cause(s) as to why problems go away - especially when it happens over a long period of time. People that I talk to often say so themselves, but sometimes have a feeling that the entheogens were helpful and can describe why that is so. This is useful information, even if it is not of medical value. Before we get to the point where we can perform large and expensive medical tests of the therapeutic value of entheogenic drugs, we need (I believe) to gather and analyse people's own perceptions of what is happening to them. It is my modest aim to contribute towards this.

5. Some people experience spontaneous healing. If this happens in connection with the use of entheogenic drugs, that is important information even if does not "prove" anything. The philosopher of science Karl Popper would say that nothing is ever exactly proven, but of course it is possible to conduct large-scale studies that will be more reliable than my qualitative study of user experiences. What I am doing is only a beginning, but one that is sadly unprecedented.

6. As above, basically. If people perceive their insight to emerge in connection with their use of entheogens, that information is of value.

7. I do not believe you are familiar with the tradition of qualitative studies. Words are used in many different ways, and do not have one "true" meaning. Qualitative is in this instance used in relation to "quantitative", and does not imply having a high quality. And according to Søren Kierkegaard, "subjectivity is truth".

8. The extent of IQ is debatable. Quantitative studies generally have the benefit of being representative of a larger population, but they have no opportunity to go into what some have called a "thick description" of how people experience their lives. The value of qualitative studies is basically to gain depth of understanding at the cost of generalizability.

9. Words are used in many different ways. The wikipedia definition of an entheogen "is a chemical substance used in a religious, shamanic, or spiritual context". This broadly covers my interest. According to Ludwig Wittgenstein, "meaning is use" - the meaning of a word is determined by how it is used. I do not believe that I or most people have a sufficient understanding of what "God" or "Oneness" (or whatever word you prefer) is, and your point is basically theological and subject to debate.

10. I am not sure that we do know how placebos work.

11. My point with the phrase "proper use" is only to indicate that there is certainly no guarantee that the use of an entheogenic drug will lead to an entheogenic experience. I do not know what "proper use" might be, and aim to consult the participants of my study to help me discover what use does lead to spiritual experience and what use does not. The former might reasonably be labeled proper in this context: it is "properly entheogenic" in the sense that it does result in what the word entheogenic implies.

12. Saying that something is broadly overlapping with something else does not imply that the two are identical. I believe however that most of the drugs we would normally label entheogenic could also reasonably be labeled hallucinogenic or psychedelic. Feel free to point out the exceptions.

Anyway, your point about how "Entheogenic drugs dont solve problems but they can be used to help one solve ones problems" is broadly in agreement with the views of most of the people I talk to in the context of my study.

If you have further points of critique, feel free to bring them forth.

Thank you very much for your answer . Part of what i said / the way i said it was to see if you have intelectual balls and to see if you understand what you and what i have said .

You understand that there is a big difference between a description of an experience and the actual experience itself = That unless you have had the trip , the healing , the meeting with the light within you wont understand it . Those things exist in peoples heads ....... the question is wether they are illusions or reality . Whatever ........ the people that have had the experienced are normaly / mostly noticably positively changed .

One of the words i fell over was mystical . There is nothing mystical about the healing that can be achieved in conection with some substances , how it can happen and the " enlightenment " expeience . There has been a lot of research about that .

MAPS is the place to go to find studys about the posible use of some drugs as tools to help in psychelogical therapys as a sort of door opener .

There have been studys done with members of some ayahuasca churches and also with patients in the US about healing , the positive psychelogical effects and religeous experience . Again " The encyclopaedea of psychedelic drugs " has things about that in it . I think that " LSD . A total study " By Siva Sankar also has some things in it about things like that .

Tim leary was involved with experiments about drugs and religeous experience ....... sucsessfull provoked religeous experience ...... with priests , monks and scolars .

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The BEST statement in the whole thread = ---- >

"PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS DON'T CHANGE YOU- THEY DON'T CHANGE YOUR CHARACTER-UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE CHANGED THEY ENABLE CHANGE THEY CAN'T IMPOSE IT...."
-ALEXANDER

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1. There are many psychedelics, and many change your character.

2. "... you want to be changed."
Very strange and neurotic attitude, wrong from it start.

3. The whole statement is anti-humanistic, that divide the race in two: who want change and who want to be destructive.

@ GOD,

I don't see the reason for ripping apart a thread. Many things are true you say, but this is not an academic debate, so what is the point?

Dear God - I am happy that I passed your test or whatever it was.

The word mystical generally refers to practices, experiences etc relating to mysticism, which may be defined as "union with the Absolute, the Infinite, or God". It has nothing to do with being mysterious or somehow under-studied. Something can be therefore be mystical even if it is well researched.

For clarity ---- >

" There is nothing mystical about the healing that can be achieved in conection with some substances , how it can happen and the " enlightenment " experience . "

" The word mystical generally refers to practices, experiences etc relating to mysticism, which may be defined as "union with the Absolute, the Infinite, or God". It has nothing to do with being mysterious or somehow under-studied. Something can be therefore be mystical even if it is well researched. "

" Full Definition of MYSTICAL
1
a : having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to the senses nor obvious to the intelligence <the mystical food of the sacrament>
b : involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective communion with God or ultimate reality <the mystical experience of the Inner Light> "


The cures that can and have been acheived with psychedelic asissted psychotherapy are well studyed , documented and are the basis for a lot of reaserch in that direction now ........ and have nothing to do with god , esoterics or mysticism .

= " There is nothing mystical about the healing that can be achieved in conection with some substances , how it can happen and the " enlightenment " experience . "



Maybe these are interesting for us ? ---- >

http://www.stichtingopen...contemporary-religion-2/

http://www.stichtingopen...-native-american-church/