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#1 Posted : 12/22/2014 6:28:39 PM
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Moderator Note: Merged from a previous thread.

I was unsure where was best to post this.
If a moderator thinks that it would be a better fit someplace else please feel free to move it. Thanks!
I thought that this article presented a very nice analysis of the problems with the proposals that it responds to.
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This was first posted in another ayahuasca group I belong to, by Alan Shoemaker. I got his permission to re-post it here. I have some of my own feelings on the subject after having personally sat through an ESC presentation in october but I wont get into that here. I know there has been some discussion etc on the topic of the ESC over the last while, and I think it's good to have more than one vantage point. Here is the statement copied word for word.

sorry if the spacing is weird..it was copied from elsewhere to here..



"Statement Critiquing the Ethnobotanical Stewardship Council (ESC) (*)

We, the academics and other experts undersigned, manifest publically our rejection of the ESC’s methods and goals. The following statement has been made public after more than one year of “dialogues” and correspondence with the ESC, as we do not feel our concerns have been properly addressed.

The information below is a reflection based on the ESC’s reports and materials available online, in podcasts, in public representations and interviews, and from private letters and emails exchanged between us. All the information is supported by actual quotes from these sources, but these have been mostly deleted for the sake of space. The ESC has currently raised over $90,000 in a campaign to introduce ayahuasca use to a market-driven “certification” system based on discourses of “safety” and “sustainability.” We believe that, rather than ensuring the sustainability
of ayahuasca and the safety of those who use it, the ESC approach is actually damaging ayahuasca sustainability and practices, and that something urgently needs
to be done about this. Our reasons are as follows:

1. Alarmist campaign tactics.
"Ayahuasca's reputation, habitat, legal standing, and very healing traditions are all at stake." In order to justify the need for a certification process, the ESC promotes a fear-based fundraising campaign, implying that the use of ayahuasca results in a high incidence of accidents, rapes and deaths; that the plants are on the verge of disappearing; and that there is a lack of regulation. Strategies have included using video of a rape victim demanding that something be done alongside an affirmation that the ESC is doing something, and implying that the ESC is involved in scientific research and treatment
of people with ayahuasca when it is not. While there are certainly emerging safety issues that require an informed response, the overall scope of concern is greatly exaggerated. Further, the proposed ESC “intervention” is disproportionate to the evidence currently available on any of these issues.

2. Claims that lack of safety, breakdown of traditional means of control, and lack of regulations might cause governments in South America to forbid the use of
ayahuasca. There are no governments in Amazonian South America thinking of forbidding ayahuasca use: the discourse on health and safety is largely a foreign and imported one. Traditionally, ayahuasca is considered an “traditional indigenous medicine” or “a spiritual doctrine" and a legitimate expression of native knowledge or religious
freedom. There are many traditional, bottom-up, community-based means of regulation in the Amazon that already exist and function. There are also more formal
means of control in some places, such as the regulations in place in Brazil, Peru, Colombia, etc.

3. Lack of indigenous representation.
The ESC claims to include all voices in a “dialogue.” There actually is no indigenous representation at all, and even if there was, the question of who has the right to
represent others is extremely problematic, as leadership in the communities in question is a collective process.

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There are also no experts involved who have substantial experience with specific indigenous groups, no Amazon-based NGOs or institutions, nor any with close
historical ties to any particular community. Furthermore, nothing has been translated into Spanish or Portuguese, let alone any of the indigenous languages of non-English
speaking “stakeholders”; the website, the “Ayahuasca Dialogues” report, and the “Health Guide” are all only available in English. The claims that this project is a “bottom-up” initiative implies that it arises
organically from local people acting upon issues important to their endeavors, and in line with their own philosophies. In reality, this is a Western-oriented, top-down initiative, in the mold of naïve development projects that have caused irrevocable damage to traditional and rural communities. An intervention on the scale the ESC plans demands a full impact assessment before anything is done.

4. Promoting safety, “cleaning up sorcery,” and certifying ayahuasca retreat centers and shamans. The ESC has publicly claimed that it will be “making sure people are not getting witchcraft put on them,” and reveals no understanding of nor cultural sensibility
towards the importance of secrecy, sorcery, and invisibility, nor regarding informal, social and traditional means of control. Sorcery is - among other things - a form of
local regulation where inequality and jealousy may drive sorcery accusations. The ESC intends to replace the “morally ambiguous” complex of healing/sorcery in
Amazonia with market regulations. “Stewarding” ayahuasca, by certifying centers in the same way that producers of forest products are certified, is wholly inappropriate for indigenous shamanism.
Indigenous cosmologies also conceptualize disease and health differently. The ESC project to “modernize” and “sanitize” indigenous uses of ayahuasca threatens to create an unnecessary and Western-imposed bureaucratization and professionalization/institutionalization of traditional medicine. Those centers that do not want to adopt outside interventions and norms would be uncertified vis-á-vis those that do, and this creates a discriminatory trend.

5. Market orientation, commercial language, and promotion of Ayahuasca tourism. The ESC’s aesthetics and vocabulary derive from a neoliberal market-based
framework, employing such terms and concepts as “incentives,” “cost-effective,” “competitiveness,” “willingness to pay,” “value chain,” “stakeholder,” etc. We assert
that all ayahuasca practices have operated outside of a Western market-driven approach in the past, and that currently Westerners are not the only ayahuasca
participants. The ESC maintains that all indigenous villages in the Amazon should be given the chance to develop ayahuasca tourism, and that ayahuasca tourism, capitalism, and development are perfectly compatible. Further, it assumes that promoting Ayahuasca seekers’ trips to the Amazon will not exacerbate the economic inequalities that already exist in the Amazonian context. We disagree profoundly, and we do not see that the ESC’s neoliberal project is either pertinent or necessary, from the perspective of those natives of the Amazon who will be affected. Such an approach will necessarily damage the organic local contexts and philosophies that have thrived for
many centuries outside of Western demands, dominance, and impositions.
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6. Alleged conservation and protection of ayahuasca plants and admixtures in order to avoid their disappearance.
The ESC has claimed that ayahuasca plants are in danger of disappearing due to consumption and commerce, and that ESC will ensure their conservation. Neither Banisteriopsis caapi nor Psychotria viridis are placed under the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). Both are planted throughout
Brazil, and in vibrant new ayahuasca scenes in other countries and continents. There are similar initiatives in the Peruvian Amazon, where several botanical gardens
collecting diverse species also exist, as well as small yagé and chagropanga planting projects in Colombia, and home gardens in Ecuador. Also, it is important to remember that there are traditional circuits of plant exchange that outside initiatives could disrupt. In sum, all this involves profound and complex intercultural issues. The major forces responsible for the devastation of the Amazon are the lumber industry, agricultural enterprises, big pharmaceutical companies, and international patterns of material consumption, rather than the individual consumption of or trade in ayahuasca.

Despite the name, the ESC has no expertise in ethnobotany, is not engaged in university research, shows little familiarity with ongoing scientific research in these
areas, and has no concrete plans to promote the conservation or biodiversity of ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is unlike other medicinal plant commodities; it is
fundamentally embedded into shamanistic healing traditions, which are in turn part of complex ritual and symbolic systems throughout South America.

7. Lack of scientific evidence and rigor. For example, the ESC has repeatedly announced that 100,000 visit the Amazon per year for ayahuasca, without providing any solid evidence for this claim. This dubious estimate is marshalled to support a fear-based, urgent fund-raising campaign. The “Health Guide” and the “Dialogues Report,” frequently quoted publically as sources of information, are not created by accredited experts, are full of factual inaccuracies,
and bring nothing new to the public debate. They are promotional materials, which are used to justify the existence of the ESC.

8. Problematic representation of expertise in the field.
The ESC gives lectures and media interviews around the world as an “expert institution,” but they have not consolidated the expert advice offered, and seem
unaware of existing debates; nor has their staff conducted any substantial Lowland South American fieldwork. There is also a clear ignorance of basic anthropological,
sociological, and other factors pertinent to the Amazon region. The ESC’s participation in psychedelic conferences and community forums are largely platforms for fundraising.

9. Changing discourse, lack of clear plans, unrealistic goals.
Despite the strong fundraising, media visibility, and rhetoric, the ESC appears confused about its mission, focus, scope, and orientation - what it wants to do and how. The ESC has a chameleon-like nature. Its strategy for “dialogue” is to co-opt and incorporate criticisms, without actually effecting substantial changes. Affirmations made publically have afterwards been denied, such as the claim to be
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able to protect people from witchcraft; or they are “previous plans, now abandoned,” evidencing their lack of clarity.
The scope of the ESC covers conservation, policy and regulation in Peru and beyond, anti-sorcery measures, promoting development, facilitating ethno-medical tourism and pilgrimage, ensuring safety and fair distribution of foreign income, assessing what went wrong in accidents, implementing grieving mechanisms, preventing sexual
abuse, surveying participants, and certifying centers in different cities and villages throughout Peru, Ecuador, and Colombia. They plan to extend the methods and models to iboga and peyote, and possibly to marijuana, kratom, kava, and psilocybin mushrooms. These claims are huge, unrealistic, and deeply problematic.

10. Lack of transparency about financial benefits.
It is not clear what the charges will be for certification or other services, if there will there be voluntary donations from lodges and providers, and how this will be turned
into staff wages and funds to run the organization itself. While ESC is a non-profit organization, it still needs wages to operate and projects need to be defined as important and viable so as to justify their infrastructure. There are also no public reports on how public donations have been used thus far.

11. Rhetoric around the idea of “dialogue” and “community.”
The ESC affirms that it is “community-based,” “grew out of community concerns,” is based on “voluntary participation,” and promotes a “dialogue.” This is empty rhetoric,
which does not resonate with experts, nor with indigenous local people. ESC remains unresponsive to concerns regarding how the “stamp of approval” will harm the
villages and centers that are not interested in replicating their ideas. The ESC’s lack of on-the-ground experience is apparent, the ethnocentricity of the project is alarming, and the assumption that they know better than the locals how to manage ayahuasca is unfounded. The ESC does not consist of an appropriate number of experts in the field, nor locally-based Amazonian leaders. None of the founding board members live in the Amazon, nor have they any long-term experience in the field. The Executive Director
tried ayahuasca for the first time in 2013, and has very little experience with it. Furthermore, the ESC has repeatedly rejected expert advice, describing groups of long-term experts in the field offering sustained opposition as a “vocal minority.” Add to this “vocal minority” the roster of scientists and locally knowledgeable people who have, from the outset, refused to legitimize the ESC’s naïve plan with their support, as well as all of those advisors who left the organization alarmed at what they saw, and one can safely conclude that it is the ESC who is the vocal minority.

12. Misappropriation of the voice of ayahuasca.
The ESC implies that it represents ayahuasca directly, with tweets such as “Now is the time to give back to ayahuasca.” But does it?

Conclusion

The mission, to “transform the lives of people all along the ayahuasca value chain, from the people who drink ayahuasca all the way to the people who cultivate and
offer ceremonies” is extremely problematic on many levels. Our lack of support for the ESC does not reflect our unwillingness to discuss facts; rather, it stems from
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extensive discussion with the ESC, and reflects our concerns that ESC will adversely affect communities in the pursuit of its ill-conceived goals. The fundamental question remains: What mandate do they have to impose Western, hegemonic, neoliberal norms upon communities in Latin America of which they do not have a detailed understanding?

We urge the staff to direct their skills towards educating foreigners who are interested in ayahuasca, and leave the stewardship of ayahuasca to those with generations of
expertise behind them.

December 21st, 2014. Signed:
Brian Rush, PhD, U. of Toronto, Project Leader Ayahuasca Treatment Outcome
Project (ATOP)
Bia Labate, PhD in Anthropology, NEIP, Ayahuasca researcher, Brasil/Mexico
Daniela Peluso, PhD in Socio-cultural Anthropology, Amazonian specialist
Danny Nemu, BsC, Psychedelic Press, UK
Clancy Cavnar, PySD, NEIP, co-editor of “Ayahuasca Shamanism in the Amazon and
Beyond”
Alex Gearin, PhD Candidate in Anthropology University of Queensland, Australia
Matthew Meyer, PhD in Anthropology, NEIP
Dena Sharrock, PhD Candidate in Anthropology University of Newcastle, Australia
Brian Anderson, MD, MSc, University of California San Francisco, NEIP
Marcelo Mercante, PhD in Anthropology, NEIP, Ayahuasca researcher, Brazil
Celina De Leon, Posada Natura Costa Rica and ATOP
Stanley Kripper, Saybrook University, Oakland, California
Eleonora Molnar, MA, Canada
Anja Loizaga-Velder, Dr. sc. hum., Nierika AC, ATOP, Mexico
Gretel Echázu, Phd Candidate in Anthropology University of Brasília, NEIP
Alhena Caicedo, PhD in Anthropology University of los Andes, Colombia
Edward MacRae, PhD, ABESUP, NEIP, CETAD, UFBA, Brazil
(*) Rush, Brian et al (Dec 21, 2014). Statement Critiquing the Ethnobotanical Stewardship Council
(ESC). Núcleo de Estudos Interdisciplinares sobre Psicoativos – NEIP. Available in: www.neip.info


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found a link to the write up on another site..
http://psypressuk.com/20...-the-road-to-the-amazon/
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MY OPINION ---->

The guy needs a bucket of cold water throwing over his head . If i was his teacher i would give him 1 from 10 and tell him to go away and write it again without all the petyness and dirty tricks .

And ...... do he and his friends have a BIG financial and ego interest that they are trying to protect with that childish rubish .

He criticises that organisation for its ignorance . But he talks about shaman in south america . There are no shamen in south america . Shaman came from siberia and had a totaly different belief system .

He says that they have no right to talk for the natives but does it himself .

To be honset is his list of " experts " a list of nobodys ? Nobodys with financial interests ?

Then he sinks as low as to call someone " neoliberal " wich is a term for the intelectualy and politicaly disabled . For victims who have learned to play the game. Nowadays there is no left or right there is good and bad behaviour and answers , sensible and stupid , optimal and sub optimal solutions .

As an ami? he trys to discredit them as being capitalists !!!!!! Allthough a lot of the people involved in the ayahuasca tourism charge monsterous prices and the natives get how much ?

If we look at other ethnic practices / cultures ........ a lot of them got totaly fucked when greedy and dumb tourists and " experts " arived . Think maria sabina . Think people in australia rapeing trees in a nature reserve . Killing them by ipping their bark off .

Then he rambles on and on saying basicly the same thing over and over again in different ways .

Isnt he just saying ....... i want to play the games i play because i like them and i get cash and ego kicks from it ?

I dont say that all of his critic is wrong . I dont say that ESC is right or wrong .

From what i see there is value in parts of what both say .

Most of the " shaman " and " shaman ' tours are rip offs from money babas . Most of them are not authentic .

If we look at most of the prices charged its capitalism at its worst .

Getting rid of the hokus pokus and those money baba sharlatans and protecting authentic knowledge is very important . BUT its a thing to do with all three groups . That they all sit down and talk together and do the best .
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It's not a "he". It is a group of researchers, anthropologists etc invovled in ayahuasca and these issues..many of them for many, many years and this is not just a group of people invovled in ayahuasca tourism..many of them are not. If by "he" you mean Alan Shoemaker..well I think most here know who he is and that kinda speaks for itself. He's def not some newb to either ayahausca, or the amazon.

Some of those names are very respectable people in the community.

I don't really see the point in the "shaman" semantic argument at this point.

Just to clear some things up.

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I know who the man is and i refered to what he said .

What are his / their motives ? Protecting authentic use ? Protecting the culture ? Why is he so upset ? Foreigners trying to control use in some way ......... just like he is ? Western imperialists argueing about who knows what is best for the natives ? Modern day missionarys ?

I think that there is good reason for him and his friends , the ESC and authentic practcioners to sit together and try to ensure that things dont get out of hand .

I dont want to diss him ( or you ) . I diss part of what he says and the way he says it .

The point of the shaman argument is that he acuses the ESC of ignorance and then shows his own ignorance . Shaman came from siberia and had a totaly different belief system .
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"Foreigners trying to control use in some way ......... just like he is ? Western imperialists argueing about who knows what is best for the natives ? Modern day missionarys ?"

Since when does criticism against an organization for not including another group in a discussion(esp when it impacts them directly), imply that the one making the criticism assumes they know what's best for that other group?

Isn't that the point of wanting the other group included?..

I mean..logically.

You have assumed a lot of things here, some that I know to be false but I don't really wish to get into it. I posted this just so that both sides of view in relation to the ESC are present so that others can then inform themselves.
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My opinion ---- >

The converstaion is about three groups of people . One natives in south ameica and the other two middle class farang / yankies / pinkys . Did either of those groups get permission from the people who actualy live there and do it to talk for them ? To talk in their name ?

My opinion is that he was so emotional that he wasnt thinking when he wrote that and that if he wants serious people to take him seriously he needs to edit it and shorten it . By serious people i mean ........ a question for all = Has anyone ever seen anything written in a serious book in a so confused way as that ? I'd apreciate it if someone could show me any passage in a book by a respectable auther that rambles on like that .

Think marketing . He is selling a product = his opinion . And what he is saying is advets for that product . To sell a product its best to advertise it as clearly and understandably as possible ....... " normal " people dont read things that are that long . That means to get better results shorten it and make it clearer .
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Who is he?

Half the people that signed off are not american.

You keep saying things lacking proper context.
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I've got some mixed feelings about this. I think GOD's comment about the three groups is accurate: looking at the list of signatories, how many of them are natives to an Ayahuasca-using culture of curanderos themselves? The high-minded rhetoric rings a little hollow if it's just another case of well-meaning white people deciding what's good for the natives.

If the natives decide that they like Ayahuasca tourism and want to engage in 'neoliberal' activity for the benefit of their community, I think that it is their prerogative to decide that (I certainly hope they decide against it, but merely having an opinion doesn't give me the right to foist it on other people).

Some of the criticisms are reasonably on-point, but I am far from impressed. Let's hear from some indigenous voices: there's been more than enough white folks putting words in their mouths.


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Thanks to the moderator who moved this.

The majority of the ayahuasca curanderos I've met have been completely illiterate. This is actually not aimed at them however, this is for the vastly largest part about protecting Westerners experiencing ayahuasca.
It is worth looking at those names that are being casually dismissed, learning a bit about their involvement with the world of ayahuasca, finding out some more about them as individuals and why they felt motivated to sign it. Most of them would be willing to discuss it if asked.

I am not comfortable with what I consider to be open hostility in the wording of that manifesto as aggressive words do not create a productive place for enabling future conversation.
Despite that they make many good points. Whether in agreement with those words or in agreement with the proposals of the ESC, a lot of those questions are very much worthy both of being asked and being answered.
Most noteably:
Why is the overlaying of Western ideology on nonWestern practices sound?
The contents of the ESC proposals are about a lot more than making ayahuasca ingestion safer for Westerners. For instance the notion of cleaning up ayahuasca shamanism to get rid of sorcery? That suggests at best a lack of understanding of how disease and healing are viewed in the ontologies of those cultures and echoes a familiar *American reformer* attitute that what we Westerners know and think is much better for those other people.
It would be curious to know what criteria will be applied to define sorcery or witchcraft and what characteristics will represent an acceptable "certifiable" shaman. Will it be a medical professional or a Christian priest that is employed to sanctify the 'good' shamans?

A telling point that bothers me -- the core ESC material was made available in English only. Perhaps English is the better choice for fund-raising but not having it available in Portuguese, or Spanish, is not a trivial thing to miss.





 
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For instance the notion of cleaning up ayahuasca shamanism to get rid of sorcery? That suggests at best a lack of understanding of how disease and healing are viewed in the ontologies of those cultures and echoes a familiar *American reformer* attitute that what we Westerners know and think is much better for those other people.


I couldn't agree more. That should make anyone with a bit of anthropolical knowledge cringe.
 
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For instance the notion of cleaning up ayahuasca shamanism to get rid of sorcery? That suggests at best a lack of understanding of how disease and healing are viewed in the ontologies of those cultures and echoes a familiar *American reformer* attitute that what we Westerners know and think is much better for those other people.


I couldn't agree more. That should make anyone with a bit of anthropolical knowledge cringe.


Agreed. I don't have the whole story, but like I said I have sat through an ESC presentation at a conference this year, and this and a few other issues made it seem absurd. Josh seems like a nice guy from what I saw/heard who means well, but the ESC seems to not be so well thought out atm.
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nicechrisman wrote:
Sad to see this medicine becoming so politicized


ANY movement, once it becomes well known, is corrupted. It is inevitable.
 
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. Josh seems like a nice guy from what I saw/heard who means well,

I wasn'T doubting their integrity or motives. To be fair - we always construct new ideas based on our own cultural concepts so it doesn't surprise me if some of the finer points are suboptimal at this point. But then, ESC is open for dialogue, no? No reason to make a huge drama out of it, as long as the discussion stays alive.
 
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from what I understand, the lack of open dialogue is part of why some people left..but don't quote me on that, it's second hand information so I cant verify it.

I know that Chris Kilham(the medicine hunter guy) left the ESC and feels that they don't even have good intentions and were not interested in actually forming any kind of real dialogue among the different people. I saw the email that he sent out about it and he said that he is going to go vocal about the ESC through all avenues he can. I will not post that letter here though..there was a lot of accusations made.

Who knows where this will all go..but for the moment I do not support the ESC. There has to be at the least indigenous representation, as well as proper translation from english to spanish etc..and the whole ending "witchcraft" thing is just too silly to be taken seriously.

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#20 Posted : 12/23/2014 11:18:48 PM

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nicechrisman wrote:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

False: the road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen Very happy
"There are many paths up the same mountain."

 
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