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Nutella
#1 Posted : 12/22/2014 6:36:55 AM
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After starting to read in on DMT containing plants and teks i examined my environment for a nice candidate to try a simple test with.
There is a Leuceana shrub, or young tree, and it looks very much like a few images you get when googling yopo or A. peregrina. It is definitely a different plant but those pics showing up as yopo inspired me to make a yopo type stuff to test with.

Disclaimer: I don't mean to encourage anyone to go about testing species as i do. I am aware it can be dangerous to test natural resources without any scientific "evidence" of its safety, and i'm sure the more scientific approach on extracting pure substance from known non toxic species is the safer and much more recommended way to go for most people.

Now, i understand that Leuceana species, just like Mimosa pudica, can contain the toxin mimosine, but both plants have been used here in asia for food and medicine for a long long time. People are traditionally ingesting more than i would using a few seeds for dmt effects.
Animals outside asia being fed with Leuceana showed sings of intoxications after half their diet consisted of that plant material. I doubt any human use of these plants makes up for half of what one would ingest per day.
It appears as though certain bacteria determine weather there will be (a lot of) Mimosine in these plants or not and that depends greatly on where the plants grow. Outside their original environment there might not be that kind of bacteria, thus making mimosine containing plants more toxic. I got this info from several sources online.

Well i decided to follow my intution and personal logic and try those seeds. I usually chew some plant material of whatever i'm considering to use in any way to determine it's feel. I don't swallow while identifying, and never had poisoning even from toxic mushrooms i tasted, and i am not that reckless to taste anything really dangerous that i could have easily be informed about beforehand. There is not that many leathally poisonous plants and one does themselves a favor learning about those before going out collecting plants. The vast majority of plants can be used as medicine in proper dosage and administration.
Those seeds tasted like nuts, no bitterness, nothing weird or scary.
Being extra careful i decided to not smoke or use them orally but go the sublingual route.

Knowing how one can make potent medicine using DMT material for instance in form of a few seeds mixed with toasted eggshell and a chemical reaction with water, this seemed the easiest and most obvious way to do a first test.

The freshly collected seeds were already brown but still leathery soft. Very fresh, their pods had just dried up not long ago. I attempted to roast and peel the seeds but thought it was silly since these seeds were too fresh and very small, so they were in the roasting pan for less than a minute until i decided to just chop them up with a knife. I tried to be thorough but did not end up being extremely thorough, same with crushing the eggshell, my final mixture was a little crude.
After mixing with water i let it sit for 9 hours and i even put it in the freezer overnight since i tried finding a good time to use it.
The mix did not have a detectable ammonia smell and i honestly did not believe it would work at all.

So the next day i made a tea from 5 fresh passion flower leaves that i drank 30 minutes before my substance trial. While i was considering over and over weather that might be dangerous to do if it gave too radical of an effect, the main point to make this test was to determine the potency of the seeds, and to see if i could get any effect or not, so using a light MAOI to help find out seemed a good idea for research purpose.

I had my father sit next to me as a sitter for the case i needed help, and that also made me be extra cautious and in no way go for anything near a breakthrough experience since i didn't want to scare him even more than he already was , although he is taking it rather open minded, but he is still my father and worrying your parents more than necessary is not nice.

So i put some of my "yopo" in my mouth letting it sit there. After less than 2 minutes strong waves of warm energy flushed through my legs up my body and my heart started racing like mad. I was astounded and a little worried about the extreme heart racing, I said "it works" and spat the mixture out. This was all i wanted to know and having succeeded left me extremely happy and with enough to process for the first time. The whole situation happened in seconds but it felt like it was nearly half an hour, there was a clear time distortion going on. I could not get up from my chair right away, like i had no power or control over my limbs, but after a few minutes we proceeded to have dinner. Eating seemed more of an analytical thing to do than usual, especially raw vegetable appeared a lot more real than ever before.
All in all there was a feeling of being a little high but i could not distinguish between the passion flower effect and whatever i felt from the seeds.
Yeah, what did i feel? Bufotenine? 5 meo? What do you guys think?

During the night i had palpatations but nothing too worrying. I did however get to question my strong coffee consumption as something i should really really curb down. Especially now that i am preparing for a another trial i realize my mindless indulgence in caffeine really needs to stop to make space to learn more about DMT. I don't relax easily, but overusing caffeine isn't exactly helping xp

The next day the visual effects i hadn't even noticed that much in the evening became obvious. Extreme crispness in view, especially nature at daytime, the ability to catch a lot more details at once.
The chickens looked bigger and more impressive, exposing more personality than i had noticed before.

As for my personal happiness and feeling of love for all beings i couldn't tell a difference really. I'm already happy and energetic Very happy, i never tried amphetamines because i think i don't need them, but i am sort of considering i should perhaps try to learn about different forms of bliss, and how to differentiate between what 5 meo feels like and MDMA and to imagine better how others feel like.
A cascade of thoughts and observation concerning the giving and taking, love between all things and the nature of happiness started rolling since then.
 

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Intezam
#2 Posted : 12/23/2014 3:35:40 PM

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Shocked ... facing certain death, chicken may also look bigger, with more personality....lol (jokes)
You sure you experienced 5-MeO or Bufotenin? Anadenanthera is a different plant. Be safe!

edit: did you loose any hair? Leucaena leucocephala? From Thailand? Do the locals eat the ripe or unripe seedpods? Is it a famine food or do they cherish it from the heart?
 
Nutella
#3 Posted : 12/24/2014 3:25:13 AM
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Thank you so much for your reply Smile This topic keeps me thinking so much and i want to discuss it a lot more.

Lol the chickens, yes xD i love them and while we raise them for food we are also giving them the best life possible. Death is natural and not cruel per se, a life not worth living is cruel tho.
Consciously connecting to what you are going to eat seems the fair way to go.

As i said, i have had no previous conscious experience with DMT compounds so i was hoping for help identifying what i felt from more experienced people ^^; i can only guess it was bufo or 5 meo from all that i read about them.

I'm not in Thailand but nearby and this is one of many plants that you don't find usually on the markets a lot but that people know how to use when foraging from the wild. They prepare unripe seed pods and flowers of a LOT of fabaceae just like green beans.

I am not quite sure how far a natural approach on testing a controversial plant like Leucaena leucocephala, which i think the one i'm dealing with is, is considered OK in this forum.
I try to get my facts straight and make sure i am not getting poisoned before posting about it.
Like i wrote before, mimosine seems a regional occurence that does not apply to areas in asia due to the presence of a mimosine eliminating bacteria, and in those regions the 2 famously known mimosine containing plants Leucaena leucocephala and Mimosa Pudica are being used freely for food and medicine.
It would be wonderful to see scientific tests on the introduction of this bacteria to foreign soils and see if mimosine could be eliminated this way.

I read one article by a certain scientist on the toxicity of mimosine , maybe i can find it again, and in this article the scientist and community participating in a follow up discussion were mentioning another scientist who says mimosine is not dangerous, as well as a lot of asians who felt offended to be told those plants they've been using for ages were supposed to be dangerous.
However the scientist who wrote the article sort of bashed the other scientist who said mimosine is not dangerous saying that he has been wrong before and she recomended to not trust him.

I feel like both parties might be right. Mimosine, if present at all, in high concentrations can be dangerous. But occasional use is most likely not going to be dangerous at all.
Look at all the other toxins we are ingesting in millions of ways.

Personally from the 6 seeds i held in my mouth for 2 minutes i have not had any hairloss or intoxicating effects other than the very fast come up of what certainly appeared to be a DMT related compound from all i read about it.
I do have occasional hairloss from smoking industrial cigarettes and i dare guess those are far far more toxic than a few seeds of an organically grown food plant.
No unusual hairloss was noted, quite the opposite since i've been living very healthy the past few months.

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I made another test yesterday with Mimosa Pudica, one of the most dominant ground covers in my area and another controversial mimosine plant. Dear Forum, Is it ok to discuss it?
I do not want to step over bounderies unsettling the community. However i firmly believe modern science is not always the alpha and omega of knowledge in comparison to traditional knowledge and medicine.
I followed 2 ways of preparation, recomended by indian ayuverda and local medical knowledge, to aid with cough that i'm currently having as well as sleeplessness. And well, yeah, i combined with maoi to see if i could get effects.

BTW i have seen goats happily gorging on Mimosa Pudica, they ate them every day and no signs of toxic effects except that they seemed very happy and relaxed. But these goats were in no way limited to forage on one and the same plant for most of their food as is the case in animals showing intoxication that were fed 50% with a certain plant only.
Also i see my cats nibbling on leaves of Mimosa Pudica and displaying a bout of happiness and affection right after every time.

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Edit: i have downloaded a PDF from the University of Technology in Ho Chi Minh City that discusses the health benefits of Mimosine, they seem to deem it healthy and beneficial for humans.
controversial much :>
 
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#4 Posted : 1/8/2015 12:46:28 PM

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I'm also interested in this tree. I found one growing last year, I thought it was an acacia do to the flowers. I collected some seeds and fixing to sprout them. I wonder if anyone has analyzed the bark. I also pruned a couple of branches but haven't done anything with them yet.
 
 
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