Hello everyone! I have only posted one other time in the introduction area. I described a bit of my intent to research and learn about DMT before extraction, and meanwhile I have been microdosing brews of DMT containing entheogens. Mainly b. caapi and chacruna, but without having enough of those herbs to make a true brew, I have not gone beyond perhaps threshold effects with those plants. Until now, as I have some acquired some verified sustainable harvest acacia to work with, and eventually learn to extract from. I have recently decided to sample my acacia and syrian rue, and I would like to share my experience with all of you. Please bear with me i go into the process of brewing for a while before I get into dosing, also this is one of my first typed reports of such a nature.

12/2/2014
I tried to base everything I imagined up about this fictitious situation as best I could on the Shulgin Rating Scale:

I'm a 29 yr old male, I feel in good health, and this was my first experience with a regular dose of DMT-containing entheogens. I take other entheogens, psychedelics, and herbs/supplements fairly regularly, and I weigh approximately 185 lbs (84 kg). The last time I had a moderate psychedelic experience was about 2 weeks prior with lysergamides (like LSA, LSD, and LSA/LSD derivatives) and a microdose of ayahuasca. The last physical encounter I had with a psychedelic substance was actually technically earlier that day micro dosed (25ug) lysergamides for supplemental use.
This particular experiment was done over the course of a night, in the comfort of my own home, and mostly in my bedroom with dim/dark lighting along with my preference of music.


total intake:
2-3g cannabis (regular user; smoked throughout the entire day/night)
9 g calea zacatechichi/kratom blend (regular user; ground- taken orally)
5 g acacia root bark (brewedX3)
3 g syrian rue seeds(ground-taken orally)
2g b caapi leaves (smoked throughout the evening/night)
(3-4 hours after first dose)
2 more g syrian rue seeds(ground-taken orally)
10 g acacia root bark (ground-taken orally)
(The first 3g of syrian rue were capsuled and mixed with the 9 grams of calea/kratom blend to make up 12 grams of capsules. I normally take kratom for aches/pains and Calea I often take for dream work or in synergy with other entheogens or psychedelics)

I have a few good days off so I'm ready to really research! I have been waiting for the first acacia brew to finish. To go into a bit more depth; I brewed the ground acacia 30 minutes each brew (three times), and then a final 30 minute brew with all 3 washes combined with the root bark still in the pot, and strained out at the very end. I smoked 2 bowls of caapi leaves which provided a relaxing feeling as I began to construct this report. I find the caapi leaves smooth to smoke and they provide me with a calming effect 10:50PM

aprox 30 minutes later: As I await the second brew's completion I have been listening to some psychedelic music . I decide to finish about a half a bowl of cannabis that was left in my pipe and another b. caapi bowl. I still have a decent little pile of the b. caapi leaf out of the 2g that I laid out, but I want to save the bulk of it for the duration of the night. Although since i am preparing for oral ingestion i still want to prepare a little bit. Feelin' just a little wavy from the caapi 11:30PM

aprox an hour later: The time it takes to brew is great for preparing myself for the experience. Meditating, setting intent, finished up some b. caapi leaves as I allow the brew to boil its final time with all 3 reductions together. 12:30PM

aprox 30 minutes later: I decide to use the 'egg white method' to remove nausea causing tannins in the acacia brew during this time since I've heard even rue on its own can give digestive discomfort. I'm not a fan of the purge, and have no problem processing negative emotions productively without it. If I do purge it doesn't necessarily ruin anything either, but if I can avoid it I will try. As I wait for this to simmer I begin to consume my Syrian rue/herb blend and then I take a nice shower with tranquil undertones as I wait for my rue to kick in. 1:00AM

The first dose: (+) While I was in the shower, the Syrian rue were just beginning to burst open and take initial effects- definitely a stronger come up than the b caapi in terms of harmalas. I came out of my shower as my phone alarm was ringing from a timer I had set on my phone for the brews. It had been ringing for a few minutes past the alarm, it read 1:11 (interesting observation: During this night I happened to notice my clock distinctly and vividly at 1:11, 2:22, and 3:33- purely coincidental, but I was intrigued by this little observation. Not to go on a huge rant about numerology or spirit numbers) I set my intentions and prayers for my trip out now. then I proceed to consume my acacia brew while I smoke a bowl of b. caapi leaf. I had about 12 ounces of brew to drink down as i didn't reduce it all that much after extracting. I did mix it with honey which sweetened it a bit. I noticed I got nausea during the process of drinking the pungent brew and smoking the caapi leaf 1:11-1:30AM

aprox 30 minutes after first dose: (++) I'm beginning to get some mild tracer/residual images, I'm noticing some shifting perceptions, and very colorful imagery is hiding behind everything, everything is essentially very 'shiny.' So far the nausea isn't an issue. I smoked another bowl of caapi leaf and a bowl of cannabis. I listened to a great mix of music and meditated while I took note of the oncoming effects. I got up to brush my teeth somewhere in there, and almost forgot that I had done so shortly after I returned 2:00AM

aprox 2 hours after first dose: (++) I'm getting some more vivid traces and hints of pushing near that (+++) feeling, but not quite. Having sober thoughts essentially, even though my body was feeling under the influence and I was tripping. Wouldn't want to go do anything that involved a lot of precision and risk such as driving (*I'd never recommend driving while altering consciousness), but for the most part repressible if necessary. Still a wonderful experience thus far, closed eyed visuals are great- geometrical flower of life/fractal patterns. open eyed visuals-things are shifting colorfully around. As I meditate I'm having positive insights as to how to process and cope with other's stresses that could have been reverberating through me. I proceed to finish up the last of my caapi leaf, which seems to be an enjoyable counterpart to an experience such as this so far although it may also be causing a slight headache. no nausea, maybe a bit of gas. Pretty Nice overall 3:00-3:30AM

aprox 3 hours after first dose: (+) things dropped back down pretty quickly- open eyed shifts faded away slowly, closed eyed visuals became a little less apparent. It was very good few hours for 5 grams of acacia and 3 grams of rue. Reflecting on the experience- I had gone through a variety of emotions/thought patterns during this time, but mentally felt sober most of the time although I was definitely hallucinating. I had a headache still developing which I blame partially on my regular caffeine consumption (I haven't had any in a good while), and mainly from smoking too many b. caapi leaves. Probably a combination of the two so I made a little coffee to sip on in hopes to reduce the headache. 4:00AM

aprox 4 hours after first dose, and the decision to re-dose: I'm pretty well back to baseline, perhaps some residual effects linger. I feel physically alert, and awake. I decide on somewhat of a whim (partially due to plant spirit influence while meditating and partially due to the fact that I knew I had some time off, and was wide awake from drinking coffee) to consume, orally, without brewing, 10 grams more of ground acacia along with 2 grams more of syrian rue. (so if acacia is 1%+ DMT by weight that'd be aproximately 10mg of DMT i suppose?) I top the capsules off with a dab of remaining calea/kratom mixture from earlier and spoon/wash down the rest of the larger acacia fibers that wouldn't fit into capsules (note: be careful.. if you're not already comfortable with swallowing a lot of capsules do not try to spoon wash anything. Don't try anything just because you read that it works for someone else, etc). I understand there is a chance I could purge, and I have accepted this. If I don't purge that's cool too. I did take some honey/cinnamon/ginger combination in hopes it will aide. 5:00AM

aprox 2-3 hours after final dose: (+++) The dry form of acacia/rue has taken considerably a while longer to kick in as I assumed it might. It has begun to kick in now as I can tell several if not most of the capsules have burst open/absorbing. I am without a doubt having intense imagery. strong tracers/residual images, fractals swirling/shifting, fragmental shapes moving and shifting for open eyes . Scenes and visions of a 'hyperspace' sort of headspace beginning to cascade across my headspace, images of faces/eyes, and fractally tunnels for closed eyed visuals. Plenty of other thoughts/visions that i can't really remember nor would i probably understand any of even if i did. No purge, surprisingly not a whole lot of nausea, bits here or there. my gut prepping with honey and cinnamon must have helped! I still have had a difficult time fending off the headache which had abided only slightly upon finishing my coffee. Although I digress, the overall experience continues to work me over in a positive way. It abides a bit more after I smoke some cannabis and when I meditate and relax in my bed. Taking in the still awe inspiring nature of my first real taste of these amazing alkaloids 7:00-8:00AM

aprox 3-4 hours after final dose: (++)for the rest of the night I was pretty well out of it. I end up lying down while really not even thinking much, or at least not remembering much of what was thought at this time. I continued witnessing awe inspiring closed eyed imagery until it slowly faded away, and/or until I eventually started drifting to a dozed off half sleep state that lead into full sleep. headache had pretty well abided as long as I stayed lying down 9:00-10:00AM

(note: I had not tried smoking caapi leaf before this. The additional effect of the Caapi during the experience seemed to stretch things out just for a moment when I would take a hit. The caapi effects were in a way similar to tobacco which I have quit years ago. On it's own It has a short lived feeling of relaxation for a minute or two. I doubt I'll smoke that much caapi leaf all at once again... one or 2 bowls sure.... not 2 grams, or I will consider trying orally along with the rue. I didn't see it coming really because It was somewhat smooth and really enjoyable to smoke it at the time, and with potentiating properties. Unfortunately, it seems as if it's the most obvious cause of the headache. Still, not to rule out the possibility of a bit of sensory overload/tiredness/interactions/caffeine related issues. I am being experimental and allowing the plant spirits to guide my actions, but not without continuing to analyze potential risks. The thing is, I've developed headaches directly from smoking certain herbs before and this greatly resembled that type of headache. The fact that the caffeine didn't just do away with the headache as it normally would also leads me to believe this. I was able to repress it for the most part, but slightly distracted my thought process with ways of figuring out how to get rid of the headache rather than introspection. It's even taken up more of the report than I'd prefer but i felt it was worth mentioning. It's certainly a learning curve when experimenting with different herbs and forms of ingestion.)

aprox 7-8 hours after final dose: After a somewhat short sleep, I woke up around 1PM. Headache basically gone besides a faded little pressure that my normal coffee and cannabis routine handled quite fine. In retrospect I felt the plant spirits definitely present within the acacia and rue. I have read accounts where people believe that the b. caapi/chacruna combination is a much more reassuring and gentle teacher. I can sort of vouch for that with this experience. My recent experience was only with smaller micro doses of traditional ayahuasca entheogens (b. caapi and chacruna), and those proved to be a much warmer, gentle, and loving feeling. Interestingly, also more inspiration that was almost immediately integral with those. Although these past experiments included slightly different potentiating combinations as well as lysergamides ... so that was technically more of a slightly ayahuasca influenced lysergamide experience that time. Whereas this is simply an ayahuasca analogue experience. The analogue on it's own without lysergamides was technically shorter in duration and more clear headed in nature, although it was not a 'full breakthrough' type of experience that did not necessarily equate to being easy to decipher. Epic with the closed eyed visuals, yet not quite as much with the open eyed distortions. There was the colorful shifting flow to things, and shiny fractal patterns/shapes on most things. This faded away within an hour or two from peak. Although there wasn't as much immediately understood inspiration, it still certainly facilitated deep and productive meditation.. The acacia/rue blend was not absent of plant spirit guidance, but I almost want to say it "skips a step" that traditional b. caapi/chacruna uses as a gentle 'feminine and earthy reassurance/nurturing along' vibe when working with the traditional ayahuasca ingredients. The plant spirits invoked by this analogue had a much more masculine and fiery vibe based on this particular experience. Still a great teacher- I could still sense benevolence, and even glimpsed a smiling face, but the overall feel had a bit more of a mischievous and a possible 'tough love' vibe to it. The lessons acacia/rue taught were done so by throwing it right at me, or throwing me right in there. I had to sort it out more, which I believe could result in lengthier integration phases. The rest I just tried to absorb it into my soul as if it were a strange dream like anything else. Of course this could also be more dose related, as I have more experience to gain with the different entheogens before I can form a completely solid perspective on all of this. Even though these different combinations of entheogens include similar alkaloid profiles, I don't believe that one will learn the same exact types lessons in quite the same ways. (we even find this to be true when repeating same dosages of same substances that no experience is the same) Also taking into consideration that they are two different species altogether, and the components are also taken from different parts of those two different species. The root and the seed will always have a different way of showing us than the vine and the leaf. There is always a lesson either way. Someday I may even see how b. caapi/acacia go together or even Rue/chacruna. Intrigued about the analogues and recipes there are for this amazing elixir. High affinity and motivation for Reading/typing/research for the rest of the day, largely inspired by last night's ingestion. 3:30PM

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A follow up report-
(12/8/14) It's been about a week. I'm off work for the week, and have some deep emotional territory to explore. I prepped with a small amount of Rue (about 2g) and used a fair dose of lysergamides (1 HBWR seed and a fairly novel one so i won't mention full details of those here). Upon onset I included 4g rue and 10g ground ACRB dry form in capsules. I went ahead and made another set of capsules with the b. caapi leaf and mixed up a blend of that along with calea and the remaining Rue (I just like how calea seems to go with just about anything for me personally) I am well versed at swallowing large amounts of capsules as I have experimented with T. bridgessi in this way a few times. I took these 48 capsules in increments of 8 capsules every 20-30 minutes. I felt no rush to get them all down at once because based on past experience with capsules it works out. I know it's going to take a while for the first few to break open either way. The plant spirits/gut instinct also essentially sort of 'let me know' how to take it. I tolerate the slow release better and appreciate it. After I finished those capsules I continue to spoon down about 3 teaspoons of the remaining ACRB/rue mixture that was weighed out with the intent to ingest, yet wouldn't fit in capsules and didn't want to make another set of 24 for likely only 10 capsules worth of material. Here are the results:

(note: Unlike the first experiment, I went along this process without the intent to write a report- it was nice to let go and not worry about documenting, but i was very tempted a few times. I ingest large amounts of coconut oil, ashwagandha, and turmeric, which i feel aides greatly for remembering experiences and dreams in general. I will still have to find some middle ground and maybe allow myself to at least jot notes even mid experience without worrying about diving in too deep on reporting or it becomes a very analytical project based experience, which I still gain from. Sometimes I see trying to do certain things such as writing or art or music under the influence as a brilliant challenge although it can take away from having a fully immersed experience. This time I had premeditated, deep personal territory to explore so this was much more spiritual experience rather than an experiment)

I had actually been going through a very stressful and emotional ordeal with my job this weekend and asked the medicines to gain perspective. They certainly did just that! I did not purge via vomiting nor did i get nausea at all really. However the capsules filled with extremely fiberous looking herb mixture certainly pushed things out of my body either way. so my purge was via some diarrhea. It was weird and not actually all that unpleasant, considering. I hate to admit one of my most epic visions occurred right then and there during one of those 'purges'.

It was very interesting. It was all CEV visual of course. At first I was imagining and then seeing what I perceived as blood and other 'fluids' almost like paint flowing and i imagined it was inside of my brain (in retrospect, it felt good. It almost even felt as if something in my pineal gland was draining away and clearing out.) After perceptions shifted the gunk flowed away, and i was getting ready to see something changing beyond that as that vision began to swirl and melt away. I began to feel as if i was melting away from my body. I started to meditate and pray for one of the people I take care of at work who I had to say goodbye to this weekend as they moved away to a nursing home this week. I was meditating and focusing hard on sending him strength and it turned into where I almost felt like i was lifting anxiety away from him and transposing it to me which in turn allowed me to crack my emotional shell and feel the emotions i was bottling/trying to be strong about all weekend. I felt a big emotional weight lift. Tears were just streaming down my face when i glanced into the mirror while washing my hands after I was done purging. I was so thankful to all the medicines and just the universe at large for this gift of being able to process these deep troubled emotions in a positive way.

Other closed eyed experiences were in my bed laying down and included crosses and morphing shapes flying at me feeling very 'God like' in nature. Eventually had a quick vision pop up of a large armor being with a large sword. It wasn't like a being 'wearing armor' it was an armor being... like living armor. I felt extreme affinity for it and almost imagined it as if it was protection. I had, after all asked for protection for everyone during meditations.

I am very elated as to my response to these medicines. I also decided to take a small piece of ACRB and periodically light it on fire to 'incense' the general area as I meditated. Not for attempting to increase effects obviously, but I felt like I was much more able to communicate and collaborate with the medicines for doing so. Open eyed visuals were very profound as well although I spent the majority of time in CEV headspace or gazing at art. Very productive night for processing currents stresses/emotions and even had a few great moments of clarity regarding a few past troubles. So far very well tolerated at these levels for my body. oh and no headache this time!

I urge everyone to know their body. I am very used to consuming large amounts whole herbs and whole foods in general and I supplement generously with tonifying herbs, probiotics, fibers, and medicinal mushrooms. Timing is everything, and I also tolerate a lot of things pretty well so i felt pretty comfortable at this level. Others may not react the same to this exact dose or combination.

I'm 35 yo and 78kg. This Tuesday I took the aya tea made of 5g ACRB and 3g rue. I had no idea how deep it's gonna take me because my former experiences with ACRB/DMT are:
1. smoking DMT with or without rue tea
2. oral DMT fumarate 40 min after rue tea
3. oral DMT fumarate 30-40 min after swallowing rue seeds,
4. DMT E-cig
In short I felt the rue is best ingested in well-boiled tea form, and boiled with ACRB together.

Thank you for sharing luthiertw i have forgotten to mention i have no experience with smoking DMT or any other method of ingestion besides the previous micro dosing which occured over the course of about a month. I'm in this phase of testing and experimentation so will definitely have to try brewing them together one of these times rather than separate ingestions.