So, out of my handful of experiences with spice, this is the deepest I've gone thus far and also the strangest experience I've had thus far. As many people here already know, there are no concepts within our dimension to accurately describe the happenings which occurred in the hyperspacial dimension of the following experience, but I will do my best with the conceptual tools I have at hand within our dimension.

The other day, I started my morning with my usual asana, pranayama, and meditation routine. I then proceeded to play some Tibetan Mantras through my stereo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6NhDLhSMC8
I loaded the bong with some 1.5x harmala changa(roughly 30-40mg spice) and fired it up aggressively. I was able to get 100% of it in 1 and a half hits. 1/3 of the way through my first hit I was starting to trip, so I knew I was in for a good one. I laid down, closed my eyes, and traveled through the rotating fractal pattern I'm starting to become accustomed to seeing. I then saw a silhouetted hour glass figure of a female in front of me. On either side of the silhouette the fractals parted and two milky white and green humanoid females stepped out from behind them much like a matador steps out from behind his cape. These entities completely mirrored each other in a symmetrical choreographed manner. For instance, if the being on the left side moved its right arm, the being on the right side would be doing the exact same movement with its left arm at the exact same time. These entities immediately went to work on me. They would systematically divide me into symmetrical pieces, and then a number of these same entities would systematically and symmetrically carry these pieces of me in all directions and place these pieces in compartments in symmetrical relation to one another within what I perceived to be some sort of mandala . As I mentioned before, all of their movements were completely choreographed, in unison, and symmetrical. After They placed my pieces within the mandala, I would reappear in the center of the scenario again in one whole piece where I would again witness the silhouetted female humanoid and the whole loop would start over again. This loop lasted the duration of the peak (5-8 minutes). I did not have a body in this space, I only existed as a point of consciousness. When I say I was divided into pieces, I mean that my awareness was fragmented into pieces. It seemed that these entities had no interest in communicating with me. It felt as if they were doing a specialized duty of theirs like many of us do at our day jobs. I got the vibe that I was in some sort of alien laboratory/ factory. When the peak ended, I became aware that my body had gone into serpentine automatic movements controlled by the energetic current surging through my body. Fluid squirted from behind my nasal cavity (Amrita http://www.aypsite.org/133.html and dripped down my throat. I'm used to experiencing these phenomena during spiritual practices, but they tend to be drastically more intense as a result of changa. The energy coursing through me opened my eyes involuntarily, and the multicolored green, blue, and orange god's eye on my wall was just a solid turquoise square. It felt as if my nerves were filled with liquid nitrogen. It was an ice cold feeling that burned at the same time with the majoriy of this sensation pooling at my third eye and toes. My whole body would vibrate in short bursts ever so often at such a rate that I could hear everything in the room rattling. My hands moved into automatic gestures, circular movements, and mudras. The visual distortions gradually faded, but I continued having to ride out the energetic effects the experience had on my body, which last about an hour before I could get up and walk around.

All in all, I don't really know what any of this experience means I've been hoping to gain some sort of teaching or insight from spice, but this experience just left me disoriented and confused. Are there any other meditators here that experience such strong physical side effects from spice? I want to journey more with this molecule, but I'm afraid I might burn out my nervous system! This music video is what came to mind when trying to find something in our reality which sort of resembles my experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkd2ttXgXU

hello mindSOULmosaic,

sounds like a good time was had, theres some threads bobbing about about automatic gestures and movement, just need to start searching.

regarding your experience, i also like to try to take as much as possible from the experience and that often involves trying to fathom the madness and put it into some kind of useable model. Im dont know if your the same as me but i am quite obsessive about my activities and will generally focus on 1 thing at the cost of all else. If i had your experience i think i would look at it as a sign that i should broaden my horizons and spread my attention over more activities.

but obviously were not the same so this probably wont apply to you.

Amrita is very interesting, i think there was a thread by Hyperspacefool about it and i was intrigued. Can you access this Amrita discharge without any drugs? what is it like?

cheers

Yes, the physical 'side effects' of DMT. One of the things that made me aware that this is a special substance. I've written alot about it on this board in various threads, i won't bore everyone with particulars, BUT ...

From being 'taught' asanas, and the practical application of such body postures (which, i believe has to do with fine tuning, so to speak, the carrier of esoteric energy-the human body-and the efficient circulation of said energy. (Prana,chi,kundalini, etc)), to mudras performed both slowly and deliberately or being done with lightning speed and accuracy of movement, DMT has effects that extend into the physical space of our bodies, not just in our minds.

The physical effects of spice fascinate me as much as the psychic effects. In one of my first experiences with it, actually 5meo (IVed), tension that i had carried in my neck for years was released, there had been so much that if i tried to touch my ear to my shoulder, I was unable, and the tendons in my neck would feel like steel cable. At the end of that trip I knew what occurred, but my mind was blown when i came downstairs and my roommate exclaimed how my neck had appeared to become more slender.

DMT and its relative, 5meoDMT are incredible agents for healing, of the spirit, mind and body. IMO, the immediate and lasting effects have to do with the unification of the various systems that comprise the human vehicle, and fine tuning it so that it can achieve whatever it's 'higher' purpose is.

3rdI pointed out that there has been much discussion on the subject abs they're right about that. Searching will turn up a wealth of experiential data. (Tip for searching, use google, and stick DMT nexus in your search term. The search function here is, well, it just kinda is what it is )

Oh yeah and hey, welcome there, mSm, to the nexus, may you find a great community here to be a part of. And as always...

HAPPY TRAILS TO YOUUUUUU

Amrita is something I cannot access at will, but happens randomly at various times during certain activities usually associated with spiritual practices. I tend to experience it the most during pranayama, and recitations of mantra. I've also experienced it some during asanas, and on a few occasions while being completely blissed out by music. It has a unique semisweet slightly spicy flavor and is viscous. After my first dose of spice ever I started to notice that I would smell and taste the essence of spice in my mouth and nasal cavity at random times and I wonder if this is related to amrita at all. In my studies I've read that Amrita may be a result of the pineal gland sweating and dripping down the sinus cavity into the throat. I've read here on the forum that others taste spice at random times, and I'm wondering if it's possible that it may be from the pineal producing it's own spice. It could also be from residual spice resin coating our sinus cavities and such, but I can only speculate. Thanks for sharing the thread on automatic movements. I've since found more on the nexus which has sparked even more interest/ respect for this molecule.



This is all so damn interesting and amazing! Within the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali he mentions in chapter 4 that a state of yoga can be brought about through the use of certain herbs. In some of my studies I learned that supposedly in ancient India this started to become a common practice which yogis started to abuse and the texts explaining the technology of the use of these mystery herbs was destroyed by individuals (gurus and such) higher up in the spiritual hierarchy. It is very possible that these yogis were using some sort of ayahuasca analogue. Also within the pantheon of Hindu literature, the authors of the Rig Veda wrote the contents under the influence of a mystery brew called soma, which may very well have been this same spiritual technology Patanjali eludes to within the Yoga Sutras.

Without a doubt, many experience states of yoga, ego death, etc. under the influence of spice, albeit only temporarily. It does seem that spice may be fine tuning our energy bodies, as you mentioned, in order for us to eventually enter into a more permanent state of yoga, high spiritual awareness, conscious absorption, etc. Perhaps there are more threads covering this topic within the nexus. I will have to look. Thanks for your contributions 3rdI and null24!

..if we was clever, we'd use the spices' spicyness to perfect the deen of 'no-spice'...???

However, the deen of 'no-spice' may not be inherently free from brujeria a.k.a the abuse, hence (THEY), the hierachy may have come up with bay'ah incl. a set of precepts, as well as a set of threats/punitive actions in case of harsh violation.

These (pledges/contracts) are said to follow one until the ultmate goal, no matter how many errections and resurrections follow, even if gross memory is fully lost (..subtle memory container perhaps isn't).

So if we (intezam) had a vision of (a yidam?) being sectioned/reconstructed in the center of mind/speech/body/universe/space mandala we might be tempted to look at it as an invitation to pick up bay'ah consciously (again) and renew/re-enforce/refresh and adhere to (the guidelines)....

It might (or might not) be compulsory to abandon any, ever so faint sectarianisms and or newly aquired subtle narcissisms if we are planning (to take) the uwaisi route, e.g. taking the commitments in hyperspace with the great ones thus directly. The worldly hierarchy on the other hand seems to allow some sort of sectarianism (or encourage) which may, or may not be an adulteration due to hair-splitting professionalshism?

Anyway, we like to look at it that way: through the power of the thruth of oneness, if there is tale/story/word of beings having taken up the bay'ah/precepts/initiations/bravery/heroic action on our plane (of existence) they/them/these might as well have been (not essentially different from) us (..who can say...)

Now, one's initial gross mental reaction might be: Why stick to a set of rules? It might all be some new/other religionism BS....

Maybe similar rebellious, angry *anxieties in regard to hereditary (twice born, varna, chosen ppl...etc) vs non-hereditary functions were the rationale behind haoma-haδanaepata as well as saoma being abandoned and substituted with a new kind of zaothra (ab-zohr) and/or the (costly) fire puja and pinda (as a means of **income)...

These were some of the thoughts that came up while reading these posts.

*the cosmic control freaks
...**iiiincooooommmiiing

You'll have to pardon my ignorance, int'zm, and i doubt I'm alone here, but i completely lost the point of your post, and wiki'ing every other word just seemed a little inefficient. Maybe a glossary to help those of us along who haven't shared your intellectual path.

I mean, I'm sure many here are familiar with kabbalah, a spiritual organizational practice that i follow, but ID still not talk at length about glimpsing the Ein Sof, or the macroprosopus, after having ascended the Otz Chaim beyond the heights of Tipharet, unless that was the thread topic. Not everyone is familiar with Jewish mysticism, and not all have read the Rig Veda
or are even familiar with eastern mystical practices.

It would just be helpful. That's all.

I think I understand.

Does the stature/position/plugged in-ness of a Uwaisi in alam al-ajsam have an affect on the 'messages received'?

Is the apparent nonchalant-ness of mindSOULmosaic's entities connected to their own personal/temporal/built upon bay'ah?