So I got a chance to share the medicine with two friends. Neither had drank the brew before but they've read about it and we're eager to experience it.
I brewed 30 grams of desmanthus for 10 g each. Admixtures were 1/2 oz of P. Incarnata, ~5 g of chamomile and ~ 5 g of Callicarpa Americana stem bark.

An equivalent dose of 4 g of rue each, in the form of highly pure manske extracted crystals were added to the brew after straining.

It was more powerful to me than my last 10 g dose. At first I was worried they may not get where they wanted to be but after after an hour I was tripping hard and knew they must be too, which they were. For a while one friend was sitting with eyes closed giving a play by play of what he was witnessing. It was interesting listening to him try to explain it.

This was a perfect amount for their first experience with oral DMT, both were happy and mentioned that next time they'd be ready for a higher dose.

I guess I should grow out some plants again...

I've made changa with it as well. No breakthrough yet, just exploring sub-breakthrough effects. I used 10 g and enough passionflower leaf for one joint. 3 big hits produces a nice aya like effect. It lasts about 20 min

I should note that when the three of us drank, no one experience nausea, in fact in my experiments with bundle flower, there has not been any nausea really.

Callicarpa americana stem bark....what about it? (..out of curiosity) For stomach?

For its medicinal qualities. Trying to figure out how to use it. There's Asian species as well that looks exactly the same. Callicarpa Japonica.

Here's a paper on the photochemistry of the genus

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih....pmc/articles/PMC2760847/

Actually, I was reading through the paper and the roots of one species is used in India to treat "disordered stomach," and the bark of another is used in the East Indies as a betel substitute. It's used to treat any number of health conditions. The plant is a panacea.

THX BFP for this thread. I am in zone 8 so Bundleflower looks like the way to go. i have access to lots of growing spaces and since this seems to be the most viable candidate for most nexians to grow successfully i am looking forward to seeing the knowledge base grow. Compiling a desmanthus workspace for the WIKI would be awesome.

No problem.

You may also want to look into growing acacia Maidenii as well.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_maidenii

"..The tree has a lifespan of more than 30 years.[10] It grows approximately 1 m per year.[11] It is frost tolerant down to -7 °C[12] (about 19 °F), but it is not drought tolerant, so irrigation may be necessary in some growing areas."

Anyway I'm about to start planting the desmanthus seeds from last year. I've been taking some along when I go out in the woods and scattering them where large trees have fallen this year.

So this year I didn't grow any bundleflowers, and it turns out I didn't need to because I've found so many wild plants. About a month ago I spotted some wild plants on a marshy barrier island. The other day I havested perhaps 4 of them, and have what appears to be ~ 1 oz of material after processing it, although I didn't weigh it. One thing I noticed is that bundleflower roots smell exactly like mimosa hostilis roots. I wasn't aware of this before as I hadn't used mimosa yet the last time I used desmanthus. These new roots I have also smell strongly of tryptamines when burned. I just started to brew them, perhaps I'll take them in 2 doses after taking some extracted p. Harmala beforehand.

If these produce the desired effect, I'll havest more from the island and do a more scientific investigation, where I actually weigh the material and extract it.

I have a number of bundleflowers in my yard that are on their second year of growth, having died back last winter, and re-emerged from the roots in the spring.

They are much larger this year. I was planning on harvesting a couple this fall, but I think I may let them go a third year.

Really looking forward to more work being done with this plant!

Older plants definatly seem to contain more tryptamines. I have no idea how long they live, but it must be quite a long time, judging by the difference in the thickness of the root bark between 1 or 2 year old plants I've grown, and some of the wild plants I've worked with. Some of these plants that I found the other day have bark almost a 1/4 inch thick, and the bark seems to become more red color as the plants age as well, and the burn and smell test also seems to confirm this.

So far the most success I've had with this plant btw is with making changa. The resulting herb material reaked of dmt before I even smoked it.

Later today I'm going to take ~100 mg of harmalas, then take the entire brew I made yesterday, mixed with an additional 100 mg of harmalas.

So I took it. But before that I noticed I had around 3 g of completely dried out reed canary grass foliage laying around so I brewed that and added it to the bundleflower.

I took ~ 300 mg of harmalas, then the desmanthus and grass. It was a beautiful experience, just the perfect potency actually. It was exactly what I needed at the time and it was very, very smooth. No nausea to speak of, and I was able to do some serious self work. There's something about that grass though, I could feel it's energy while brewing it, and this brew felt different from the last desmanthus brew I consumed.

This root bark from this place did seem to have quite a bit of oils and fats in it though.

I my next step will be to travel about an hour north, where the soil is red and pine trees grow, find some desmanthus there and experiment with it from that kind of location.

My conclusion so far is that this plant is most definitely worth working with, it even seems maybe twice as strong as p Viritis by weight.