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starway6
#1 Posted : 11/15/2014 3:23:52 AM

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After following the aweful brutality thats.. NOW..going on in Seyria and iraq i had a dream of how to stop the violence and disarm ..[ISIS and other violent factions].. that are comiting genocide in a large scale against anyone who isnt [what they consider a musulm]....
They should drop ..[bombs of peace].. all over booth countrys that would put everyone asleep and in an acid dream..then the peace keepers could land by the thousands and disarm the sleeping tripping atackers with ease...
Maybe this idea is out of a science fiction story.. [like things to come].. but it makes sense to do it this way instead of alowing a long bloody battle of insane people...
These bombs would be harmless and just cause an halucinagenic sleep that would wear off in a mater of hours...and posible avert WW3!
This dream must have came from the sci fi movie called. [things to come] that have watched many times...
 

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#2 Posted : 11/15/2014 5:34:04 AM

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This kind of idea is more real than one might think. I actually think it's pretty scary.

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Documents prepared at the army's "limited war laboratory" at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, one of three major military installations where BZ is stored, indicate that the government seriously considered using the super hallucinogen as a domestic riot control technique. One scheme involved the use of tiny remote-controlled model airplanes nicknamed "mechanical bees." The bees, mounted with hypodermic syringes, would be aimed at selected protesters during a demonstration to render them senseless. Another plan called for spraying BZ gas to incapacitate an unruly mob. A CIA memo dated September 4, 1970, reaffirmed the importance of BZ-type weapons: "Trends in modem police action and warfare indicate the desire to incapacitate reversibly and demoralize, rather than kill, the enemy....With the advent of highly potent natural products, psychotropic and immobilizing drugs, a new era of law enforcement...is being ushered in."

Source: Acid Dreams, 1986

They also planned on using it against Russia and other potential enemies as a way to incapacitate entire city populations before sending in the military, supposedly to minimize casualties. I can't find the quote though. I seriously recommend the book Acid Dreams if you haven't read it. Lots of interesting history in there.

My 2 cents, I'm not so sure we should be trying to find ways to subdue "terrorists". I think it might be more productive to try to understand why certain groups of people act violently and address some of those issues as opposed to just bombing them into compliance.
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#3 Posted : 11/15/2014 3:20:18 PM
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starway6 wrote:
..then the peace keepers could land by the thousands and disarm the sleeping tripping atackers with ease...


Who is it that you think are peace keepers?
 
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#4 Posted : 11/15/2014 5:28:57 PM

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DesykaLamgeenie wrote:
starway6 wrote:
..then the peace keepers could land by the thousands and disarm the sleeping tripping atackers with ease...


Who is it that you think are peace keepers?


[It certainly isnt ISIS!!
Countrys who dont want this evil insanity spreding like a cancer to their countrys and around the world..

Mankind has enough problems without adding more..

This group is against everything in life thats good about humanity and they seem to want to spred their sickness to other countrys..

Ive folowed and seen videos of the unspeakable things they have done to their captives they are terrorists and need to be stoped at any cost...

Crazy as it sounds..It may take a somewhat sience fiction type of action like was used in the movie [things to come] HG Wells..
Where.. Wings over the world.. bombers put them all to sleep with a non leathal gas of peace..
Then they landed and disarmed them by the thousands saving humanity from distroying itself...

 
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#5 Posted : 11/15/2014 7:20:39 PM

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Have you read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? I remember there being a scene where the 'savage' and a rioting crowd is subdued by 'Soma' toward the end, Huxley's version of a drug that induces sort of mindlessness/helplessness and euphoria.
As others mentioned, I'm wary of this idea and it's potential for misuse, for numerous reasons.
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#6 Posted : 11/15/2014 8:16:56 PM

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Basic ethics rule with psychedelics:

Don't change someone's state of consciousness without their consent.
 
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#7 Posted : 11/15/2014 9:17:47 PM

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The Russians tried something similar recently with some of the super-potent fentanyl derivatives. Carfentanyl, I think it was. Terrorists had taken a bunch of hostages so the military gassed them with this opiate and a ton of people OD'd and died.

I've wondered about aersolized MDMA as a form of humane riot control, but, like endlessness above me, I tend to ere on the side of 'don't dose people without consent.'

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#8 Posted : 11/15/2014 10:47:24 PM
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endlessness wrote:
Basic ethics rule with psychedelics:

Don't change someone's state of consciousness without their consent.


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#9 Posted : 11/16/2014 12:10:55 AM

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cave paintings wrote:
Have you read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? I remember there being a scene where the 'savage' and a rioting crowd is subdued by 'Soma' toward the end, Huxley's version of a drug that induces sort of mindlessness/helplessness and euphoria.
As others mentioned, I'm wary of this idea and it's potential for misuse, for numerous reasons.


Oh Yes..I have a bunch of Huxlys recordings and often..he is expressing his experiance of these drugs..
Remember Tim Leary and his rsearch with LSD on Prisoners in the 60s..
He found that LSD helped stop alcoholism and hard drug use and reduced violence in many prisoners changed them to living honest crime free lives..
But the government still wouldend understand this..
I have long time beleaved that there is something in drugs similar to lsd that many people need.. like the mana in the desert that quenched peoples hunger when they were starving.. spoke of..this mana was spoke of in the christian bible..

Too bad that a large part of society will never understand this idea..
And a persons conciousness shouldnt be changed with out their knowing it...
[unless their consciousness is so evil and violent that there is no other option except continuing violence..
In the movie ..[things to come].. a more advanced country of humans took pity on these primitive waring people and used the gas of peace to put them to sleep long enough to land and disarm them as they slumbered...a smart move to avoid violewnce by an advanced race of people..
This would be ok for the benifit of the inocent to save them
But doing this without their knowing it would be ok if it stops them from hurting others...
This was a science fiction movie from the 1930s ...
 
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#10 Posted : 11/19/2014 9:11:33 AM

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Is not that simple....the root cause of these problems may be completely elsewhere (..look into (y)our wallets). From that perspective, the psychedelic bombs already dropped themselves where they was needed most (..not Syria/Iraq). Trust'em! There are beings involved here that are not prone to deception!
 
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#11 Posted : 11/19/2014 2:03:23 PM

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Intezam wrote:
From that perspective, the psychedelic bombs already dropped themselves where they was needed most (..not Syria/Iraq). Trust'em!


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#12 Posted : 11/29/2014 2:14:40 AM

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starway6 wrote:
DesykaLamgeenie wrote:
starway6 wrote:
..then the peace keepers could land by the thousands and disarm the sleeping tripping atackers with ease...


Who is it that you think are peace keepers?


[It certainly isnt ISIS!!
Countrys who dont want this evil insanity spreding like a cancer to their countrys and around the world..

Mankind has enough problems without adding more..

This group is against everything in life thats good about humanity and they seem to want to spred their sickness to other countrys..

Ive folowed and seen videos of the unspeakable things they have done to their captives they are terrorists and need to be stoped at any cost...

Crazy as it sounds..It may take a somewhat sience fiction type of action like was used in the movie [things to come] HG Wells..
Where.. Wings over the world.. bombers put them all to sleep with a non leathal gas of peace..
Then they landed and disarmed them by the thousands saving humanity from distroying itself...



Agreed. Just look at they're flag, black, color of death. I'm usually totally against war but in my humble opinion ISIS must be dealt with. They slaughter groups of people who had no intention of fighting, such as Assyrians and yezidis. I have some Assyrian ancestry and I take this issue personally.
This doesn't mean that the US needs to put 100,000 troops on the ground, simply give the Kurds the neccisary assistance and perhaps an air force and let this be they're war of independence. The west could also reconsider they're relationship with Damascus. But it doesn't seem current policy makers have read the art of war.
 
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#13 Posted : 11/29/2014 2:34:18 AM

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I also think it's important for the west to realize that a lot of the reasons for the state of the Middle East is due to colonial policies of divide and conquer. Sykes-picot comes to mind.
Even though I just said I think Isis should be dealt with, one thing the plants have taught me is that nothing is totally black and white, not even Isis. They're a always a grey area.
 
 
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