One common complaint from smoking DMT is its incredibly short duration. You are overwhelmed with so much in so little time that it can be hard to make sense of any of it, learn from it, or even remember it all.
I'm not sure if it works the same for everyone, but my uncles friend will take another psychedelic substance (mushrooms work the best) and at the peak smoke DMT. The effects can last over an hour for him. Another interesting thing when doing this is that the effects don't suddenly hit like a train immediately after a hit. He actually doesn't even feel anything at first and then there is a slow come up into a kaleidoscope-like world. Does anyone else have this sort of experience?

He sent me a story of a mushroom-lsd-dmt combination that was life changing. Everything below is a summary of the story. It was his third time doing this so he stepped up the dosage a little bit.
The mushrooms were taken, then right as the first effects were felt the lsd was taken.
This combination was already strong. Reading anything was impossible because when he looked at a word, the letters would pop out and start floating around the room and orbiting each other like planets in a solar system. He could look at something and literally see it from two different angles simultaneously. At this point he was a little nervous but thought it would be time to try the DMT.
A "less than breakthrough" amount was put in a pipe (more than enough when in combination with other things). He blew the smoke out and felt nothing but maybe a body tingling sensation.
But with every second that went by, things started to move towards insanity. One of the walls started warping and turned into a green glowing portal. The other walls started turning green and were etched deeply in what looked like some kind of alien writing. He thought he saw an elf like creature run by out of the corner of his eye, but there was nothing when he looked.

After what might have been 30 minutes (hard to tell) he finally could just lay back and close his eyes. It was almost an immediate out of body experience, like he was rising up out of his own skin. He found that the more he concentrated on the shapes and patterns rushing through his mind that the further out into hyperspace he could drift. This combined with other techniques learned through meditation sent him sailing far, far away. There came a point where he felt like everything in the entire universe was behind him, and in front of him was absolute nothingness. As if only a couple of his physical atoms lay back at home. He wasn't sure if this as far as he could go or not, so he just stopped there, turned around, and marveled at the feeling of everything there is being in front of him.

After a little while of this he suddenly thought "what if I'm not breathing?"
Almost instantly he began to feel like he was skydiving, suddenly reminded of the physical world, and homing in on where he left himself. After finding himself he realized everything was fine.
He wanted to go outside and get some fresh air. He sat down on the porch and was absolutely amazed by anything and everything. Time would stop and go, sometimes seemingly backwards. He saw a few birds flying by and they created tracers unlike anything he had seen before. A section of the sky quickly became filled with "bird streaks"
A car drove by and somehow managed to be the most intense part of the experience. It went by in slow motion, and every couple of seconds would seem to jump back a second. The car seemed absolutely foreign and scary to him. The noise it made was insane. He could hear every individual noise and pinpoint in his mind the exact spots whee the noise came from.
About 14 hours in, still not feeling quite "normal" again, he managed to get some sleep.
He said it was an all around good experience and woke up feeling fresh as ever.
But he also said this is not recommended. He had very slowly worked himself up to this and felt as if someone who was not prepared for this could either go insane or have the worst time of their life, and the mental/physical effects of this combination are probably unknown.

Uhm.

10-12 minutes of 50mg properly vaped spice feels like an eternity of eternities.

(I edited this due to negative feedback and safety concerns)

Do NOT do this.

This is ridiculous advice 1ce. There is nothing 'courageous' in inducing bad trips.

20mg vaped properly will take you very far. Encouraging people to take 75 is just plain reckless and can potentially cause very scary results or blackouts.

I wouldn't say increasing the dose is the best idea, maybe try changa? Changa is a mixture of beta-carbolines and spice. Beta carbolines are the class of chemical found in Ayahuasca and do not let the spice get oxidized as fast in your body thus the experience lasts longer. Rue or caapi are a good source for harmala alkaloids which are beta-carbolines.

You could either smoke separately them or extract and combine them or just drink the dose of harmalas and smoke some spice. I suggest maybe taking the harmalas by themselves before mixing with spice just to accustom yourself with them, I find harmala heavy journeys better than harmala light but unfamiliarity or having too much can be very uncomfotable.

A.

I know that doing the ecig route, I could make it last much longer, but when I was experimenting with the ecig, I wasn't using high enough doses for it to really take (no visuals, very small doses, mostly body buzz)

MAO inhibitors really won't be an option for me if I ever get to try DMT (working half time at near minimum wage and living with relatives kind of limits what I can do, to put it mildly.) Due to depression and anxiety problems I take 60mg of fluoxetine each day and have done so for more than 20 years. (Who knows how long it would take for it to get out of my system?)

I was thinking, if someone were to take the ceramic disks used in the GVG, impregnate them with DMT, and place them in a stack on the platform in an old, globe style vaporizer, could that result in a continual feed of fresh DMT as the stack heats from the bottom up? (Assuming, of course, one were to find a globe vaporizer which works decently. I've heard quality control is one of the issues with those vaporizers.)

I've been wondering if the heat would gradually work its way up the stack gradually, or if the stack would heat rapidly (giving the user the whole amount at once, rather than gradually.) I got the idea after reading someone idea of feeding the substance in slowly through an i.v. as a way of extending the trip.

Thank you.

No that would not work at all. Not even a little bit.

Why not?

How in the world? If you have a friend or significant other help you until you are fully integrated, then you'll be just fine.

It's the sudden onset that's scary, not the lifetime in wonderland.

reckless my ass.

Except its not always wonderland, sometimes it's nightmareland, and some people are not ready for it. Its not just about having a sitter, some people can have lasting psychological issues as we have seen here in the forum, and it can be related with taking very high doses without realizing the full consequences.

You have just been trusted with full membership, so please be more respectful when writing in this forum. Cyb is looking out for other people, his criticism is for the good of the community. If you dont agree, politely and constructively say why, and avoid this confrontational tone.

Lastly, I would argue if you think you are vaporizing 75mg, your method of smoking/vaporization is very inneficient. With a proper method, you can get an easy breakthrough with less than half of that amount.

Indeed. I can get pretty deep on 25-35mg. I had no idea heavy doses could have prolonged damaging effects. For me (and this is only 'so far' the most truamatic part of the experience was the sheer length of time peak effects lasted. It was very scary and confusing.

At 50mg dosages the onset is overpowering but the sensation of timelessness also occurs. It feels like I've been out for days when only minutes have escaped.

I had no idea 75mg was unacceptable. I read it on errowid as being a maximum/high level dosage.

Ya i too feel that its possible that your smoking methods lend to your higher dosage. For the longest time i felt that i had "gotten it down" with my inefficient devices and figured there's no way the gvg could be that much better. I was clearly wrong and 50mg properly vaped is way too much for most people.

I am still curious as to why not. Without an explanation, your answer is worse than useless. (Although, I suppose I could propose methods until I stumble across one that you say will work...) I think that there must be a mechanical way to extend the duration, as opposed to a chemical method.

P.S.: Is it the disc method, the i.v. method, or just extending a DMT trip which "would not work at all. Not even a little bit."

Sorry, didnt mean to be so short with my response. The heat generated from atomizers is only strong enough to vaporize material within very close proximity of the coil its self. As in direct contact.

Continuing to ingest dmt through vaporization only allows you to go so far. You cant extend a breakthrough by hitting the gvg again because while you are broken through you dont have the ability to use the pipe in the first place.

I disagree. believe my 'smoking' technique is just fine. 25mg for you I'm sure is just as effective for me. I wanted to experience the upper dose limit and I did exactly that.

The only way to know what's behind the door is simply, open the door amd look. I did exactly that. Which has nothing to do with technique.

Im not trying to devalue your experience and theres just no way to gauge your actual experience to mine. Its just an observation that most people vaping that much arent actually getting it all, especially with that vaping method. I have tried many methods, and none of them were as exact as covection with a gvg.

I have no doubt the gvg is a fantastic piece. my spice slowly melts and billows thick plumes of white vapor down the barrel. I've almost always broke through with 25mg. When I don't it's completely my own fault though.

What if you don"t have a friend or significent other to help with integration? (which can take months for some experiences). What if you are a person that is simply not designed for these experiences but you want to give it a try and you read a forum that recommends 75mg? Just because it"s written on errowid doesn"t make it gospel.

If vaping technique is perfect, and you have a set of lungs that can actually soak up 75mg in one hit, i shudder to think what could happen. If a traumatic experience is possible, some doors are best left unopened.



I voted yes on your promotion. Please don"t make me regret it!!!!

I think changa may be your best bet, with the proper ratio of harmalas your experience can almost double in length. Also you can just load huge bowls and journey as deep and long as you like. Changa can be used back to back definatly more reliably than pure crystals alone. IME ive loaded a big bowl and gone in for 30-45 mins, and it could be longer, thats just my preferance. If youre aiming for longer than that you should probably just check the oral ROA's, your not really gunna find anything else in between. Although i recently read about vapohuasca, you should look into that maybe. Goodluck

DMT can very easily destroy you, everything you think you know and all you believe. It can very easily mess you up, if this hasnt happened to you then you are lucky, it has happened to me and no amount of friend intervention helped me to integrate it, it was easily the hardest time of my life.

Its not all sunshine and smiles, theres some serious buisness in there and your recommendation is ridiculous.

if you dont think that were being reasonable in our reaction to your recommendation then thats fine, but there is a line to tow when using the forum and recommending doses of that size is not towing the line.

We try to keep people as safe as possible and if you find that for some reason you can effectively vape 100mg then good for you, but recommending it to others isnt on.


when it all goes bad the quick onset is the most pleasant part

out of interest what is your chosen vaping device