Thanks for the links SBC1.

The first link seems to only have to do with nicotine causing a stink, so I don't think that it'll contribute to our project. The second one is a bit more informative though. They mention the flavoring being very instable. I'm kind of curious to try two different batches--one with flavoring and one with just pure VG/PG and spice. It would be interesting to see if the tank with flavoring clogs more easily.

Alternatively, we could do two different tanks and leave spice out of both of them--the first one is pure PG/VG and the second one would be VG/PG and flavoring. Then we could compare the coils after vaping an entire tank. This will actually be a lot easier than having to test a spiced pen... although, to be honest, I'm rather looking forward to bringing my 1:1 and 2:1 mix to the lake for a nice long meditation session tomorrow ... in the name of science, of course.

Some ejuices render coils useless faster than others, this isnt a new thing and i have experienced it myself multiple times. Pure pg wont, pg with dmt does it quite fast it seems.

Depends what the flavoring is made from and i dont know the specifics but what your talking about will happen with a dmt mix in a tank everytime. Drip style attys wont have that issue and are much cheaper to replace the coil with.

No worries mate aslong as it helps this thread along, I think the best bet would be to use just pure pg, maybe a 2/1 ratio and kept below a certain amount so it can be vapes in a certain amount of time before it goes bad, or maybe with could just take the tank off and put it in the fridge at the end of the day, or even add a few drops of alcohol to keep it stable, what do use think

How about this
http://dripondemand.com

Is it possible DMT is corpssive to some wick material? Before e-cig, I use a test tube to heat up the DMT and blow it into a HDPE plastic bag. Like a manual Volcano vaporizer. Until I found out the plastic bag became very sticky on the outside. It's like a decayed rubber band. I was planning to recycle the DMT in the bag...

I dont really see the point in that device. Also cartomizers will be less than desirable for what we are wanting. It says it will work with an atty but basically all that thing does is hold the bottle for you. With DMT you will basically just add one or two drops and thats all you will need for your journey. If your wanting more than one journey you just add more drops before hand. It isnt difficult by any means to drip using a drip atomizer.

As soon as my atty comes I will try to get it setup as fast as possible and report back here.

I no just been looking up different attys, you can also get the disposable drippers that are pretty good especially if you don't want to build your own

it's easier to roll a coil than it is to roll a cig or a joint.

just get some tobh atty clone for less than $10 on fasttech and call it a day.


There is one significant issue why I wouldn't go with protanks and other clearomizers: leaks

one leak in there and you lose all your precious spicy juice.

and sometimes those leak for no reason

I second this, in fact the only tank i have found that hasn't leaked on me, yet, is the nautilus aspire. This would probably be a better tank to use especially with the bvc coils. Although LOW ohms will be key and i have yet to see a tank coil lower than 1.6ohm.

I get much bigger clouds with the nautilus then i was able to get with any of the protanks, and my protank sits on the shelf now because im tired of dealing with leaks.

On rebuildables:
The fact that a user would take many less puffs using dmt than someone who normally vapes with these things means the coil would last quite awhile, and you can prebuild your coils before hand.



These a generally low quality. Basically what my globe atomizer was. Ceramic cup with a coil inside. It worked for low level doses but did not achieve the mega puffs that we need for this to work.

Keep in mind, cloud chasers (those that go for the biggest clouds) use rebuildable attys because they vape large amounts of eliquid. This is the issue we are having, we need a device that can vaporize larger amounts of dmt at a time than the previous experiments have produced.

I puff four draws this morning. Not as strong as three draws when being sick. The before and after weight of the clearomizer are 50.3845 and 50.2902 gram.
0.3845g-0.2902g=94.3mg
1/7 of the weight is supposed to be DMT so 13.47mg DMT was vaporized. Each draw is about 3.36mg.
I'd say the effect is not bad for such a light dosage.

Compare to pure DMT vapor, the visual I got from e-cig is more round, warm and organic ish. So far I've enjoyed all the woke-up-in-the-morning little trips. Morning sunshine and singing birds help, I guess.

Cheers for contributing luthiertw, nice to have more people involved, what setup do you use

I'm a e-cig newbie and the iTaste 134 with clearomizer iClear30s was my first choice, for I knew nothing aboug e-cig and it looks durable and was on sale. I'll keep tracking the weight losing of my tank of 0-nicotine DMint juice.

A noticeable difference on whether the DMT is mostly absorbed or not, is absent of after-smell in the room. I'll probably mix thicker juice next time but right now it's acceptable for me.

Anyone got Aspire Nautilus clearomizer? I wonder if it actually vapes more juice in the same time.

How much dmt to e liquid do you use and do you use just pg or a mixture of pg and vg

0.5g DMT in 3g Hangsen mint 0mg with PG and VG. The ratio is unknown tho.

I use the nautilus, but i wouldnt waste money purchasing a tank unless you are going to try a higher ratio of dmt to pg than 1:1.

The solution will clog the coils much faster. We need more people to try the rebuildable atty style, as i believe it will be the most efficient way. The tank is a waste of time imo.

I have run into an issue. My tesla is now broken, if i cant fix it i dont know what im going to do. I should be able to use a friends tesla but this is going to severely slow me down.

The ratio that you're using (luthiertw) is pretty low in dmt. We've been working mostly with 1:1 and I've found that anything at or below 2:1 (1 ml juice to .5g spice) to be useless--not reliable effects.

How many grams are in one ml of your juice? Different juices weigh differently depend on how and with what they are made.

I don't know if I fully agree with anrchy that the tank system is "useless" but I am finding it to be less useful than I had hoped. The tanks just burn out too quickly (by tank, I mean "atty" and the juice at the end of the tank is WAY thicker than what I started with, thus leading me to believe that the atty is burning more juice than spice. I do get a "high" from the pen, and sometimes a pretty profound high at that, but it isn't reliable. The time that I like using it lately is pretty much exclusively after I come down from a breakthrough trip to extend the post-journey ecstasy.

I will second Anrchy's point that we need more people puffing on rebuildables. I know nothing about them, but if I start seeing solid results on here, I'll go pick one up and start experimenting.

What if we dissolve the dmt in high proof alcohol first then mix it with the e liquid, it will keep it stable plus will thin it so it's not to thick, it might also distribute it better so you get an even amount

I got a nautilus, but same as I said above, a dripper and a mod are probably the way to go there. Any clearomizer probably won't vaporize enough juice fast enough and you got the risk of leakage as soon as you use a tank atomizer

It depends on what exactly you envision the point of using these devices for dmt is. If all your looking for is low dose effects with the need to replace the $5 coil every few trips, with loss of product everytime you transfer the juice into another tank like you have, inconsistent dmt/pg vaping ratio, and the probability of leakage happening then sure using a tank is great.

Regardless, a dripping atty will work just as good for sure without the issues a tank has with dmt. This i already have experienced if you just read back several pages on this thread. A rebuildable will only work better, this is for sure known.

^forgive my ignorance of perhaps forgetting if I've read it earlier, but what exactly is the mechanical difference between the tank vs rebuildable systems? If this is a stupid question, feel free to tell me to do my frecking research.