This week I was bored, and, being bored, decided to conduct an experiment. I am a member of a meditation group which meets twice weekly for a 20-60 minute group meditation session followed by a group discussion of pretty much everything and anything (usually related to meditation or dealing with life, etc). A couple hours before a meeting, I remembered Tim Leary's experiment in which he gave volunteers psilocybin and sent them to a church service; this experiment led to a more spiritual experience in participants receiving psilocybin. This experiment led me to think what would happen if I went to a spiritual communion on psychedelics and what impact said psychedelics would have on it. I was curious and eagar to find out; my boredom was cured!

Without further adieu and with a couple hours to go before my meditation group met, I nonchalantly took 20ug of LSD (1/5 tab of family fluff), 50mg harmalas, and 230mg psilocybin mushrooms. I wanted to know what would happen what would happen if I meditated on these entheogens in a group and what impact they would have on the experience.

Wow. Just... WOW!

I felt the intense energy emanating from the group as we entered a state of zenful bliss and submitted ourselves to the meditative mindstate. I felt my consciousness and energy cooled and controlled as I flushed my mind of all temporary thoughts, notions and other such superficial things of the now and focused my being on the slow rhythm of my breath. Time stopped completely and I entered a state of seemingly permanent serenity and bliss.

Upon the end of the session I felt refreshed. Upon beginning meditating I felt off center, hyper, and unfocused. Upon the end of the session I felt serene and connected to all the other souls around me on some metaphysical level. I was at one with everything and everyone was content with me. It was perfect, to say the least.

What followed was an intense group discussion on the spiritual ego and I felt what the presenter was discussing on a very deep level (I could understand how the ego subtly manipulates itself to constantly constrain one's mind; all one can do to tame it is to be aware of its adaptative behavior and gently nudge it under the rug in order to keep control). Upon leaving the group, I felt a level of calm and zen I had never before experienced in my previous meditation sessions (I tend to meditate 10-30 minutes on a daily basis). I meditated some more when I got home and noticed that my mind didn't wander as much as it usually does and that I could maintain a meditative state of nothingness free of mindwandering for about 20 minutes! Usually my mind begins to wander within a couple minutes of meditation! After about an hour of silent meditation on my own, I took a benzo and went to sleep (it was already 12:30 and i had a class at 8:30).

I woke up the next morning still feeling the zen; the bliss; the inner peace which had manifested itself upon me in that group meditation session and am still feeling as I write this post two days later. In the future I plan to experiment more with microdoses of psychedelics and meditation. This could be a great way to enhance my meditation and I am excited to attempt this again and meditate for longer periods of time.

I was wondering if anyone else has combined microdoses of psychedelics and meditation and what effects it has had in your meditation and mindset. Which doses do you usually use when you meditate and which substances do you find the most beneficial in assisting your meditation (if any at all)? I would also appreciate any experiences you have had with meditating on psychedelics (all doses and kinds) and how it has impacted your mindset and meditation practice.

Thank you very much for reading and sharing,
-Godsmacker

Thanks for that!

I'd just like to say that pure meditation is of value as well..enhancing the senses during the practice can lead to profound experiences, though! I find low dose of LSA containing seeds helps facilitate meditative expression.. alongside with cannabis. Low dose mushrooms(1.5 g) gives way to a nice, connected, meditative feeling.. different from LSA as that is more psychological than mushrooms. Micro-dosed tryptamine is great also..

Good read. Psychedelics are what got me into meditation/yoga as well. However, the one problem I've always had with maintaining a steady practice is that I feel as consuming ANY substance is counterproductive to it. While mushrooms/cannabis/LSD can lead to profound experiences through meditation (I've tested this as well, although alone, not with a group), I always felt like the whole point of meditation is to be able to get yourself into a specific state of mind without the use of any substance, and this has almost discouraged me from maintaining a steady routine. What are your thoughts on this?

Thank you for sharing. I have meditated for at least a little while on each of my psychedelic journeys with great benefit. I find it can be much easier to enter the clear light of consciousness while under the influence. I feel that this clear light is not so much something you see with your eyes, but an emotional mindset which you enter where your consciousness/awareness/being is "alright" with everything around it. An ultimate blending of relaxation and the tension of existence.

What you described sounds like a wonderful scenario with which you could make a lot of progress. I see Akasha questioned why it should take psychedelics to reach this mindset. This is a common critique by others of my psychedelic journeys. "Why does it take an outside substance for you to reach such amazing mindsets and go to such amazing places?"

I begin by explaining that it's not the actual psychedelic that does it. Very few people, if anyone, could just eat some LSD or some mushrooms and have insights shared by many on the Nexus or any kind of spiritual community. Many people have limited experiences with psychedelics in college, but few go and become spiritual gurus. You might hear, "we just laughed a lot and I thought I had spiders crawling on me." But a more spiritually inclined person would have felt, seen, and experienced so much more.

The point is that it is YOU who makes the experience with the assistance of the substance. YOUR MIND and decisions and practices are what push you to the next level and help you explore this previously uncharted territory. Substances are just another vehicle to get there. Some people prefer pure meditation, others prefer indulging in all sorts of "drugs," and some prefer only doing a couple different things. It all seems to be in pursuit of activation of our higher circuits, chakras, or whatever you want to call them. Our higher parts.

Agreed. 99% of people I know who have tried psychedelics (or even people who use them regularly) describe effects like this. That's why DMT is so difficult to talk about with people. While something like a low dose of mushrooms and a nice hike for a few hours isn't a full-blown spiritual experience, and is using the substance "recreationally," I still feel that there's a lot of positive effects that can come from it. But DMT, at least to me, is so terrifying that saying it's recreational is a false statement to begin with.

As far as not "needing" psychedelics to achieve altered states of mind in meditation - neither side is really right or wrong, it's personal preference. As I said in my other post, I've had very enlightening experiences meditating on LSD, mushrooms, and even cannabis. I've also had enlightening experiences stone-cold sober. However, the majority of reading I've done on meditation as a general practice, (and more specifically, Buddhist philosophy), seems to have settled on the idea that using a substance is defeating the purpose, so to speak.

To me, meditation is a multifaceted study of the self. I view meditation as the act of gazing into the mirror of divinity and into the depths of your innermost being, your true self. I usually meditate without the assistance of psychoactive substances but sometimes I find myself curious as to how using a psychoactive will alter my perception of myself. When using harmalas and/or other entheogens my meditative focus is sometimes intensified, sometimes dulled, but always altered in some profound way or another. I think that it is good to meditate whilst sober as it helps to encourage a steady routine and steady improvement of the self with time. However, sobriety can only afford me a sober viewpoint. With the aid of entheogens I can see myself in many different colors (no pun intended) when I meditate; entheogen-assisted meditation allows me a new and novel perspective on myself which I may have never envisioned from a sober mindset. Both sober and non-sober meditation can be profound in their own special ways and, as always, balance between the two can lead to even moar profound insights into one's self, IMO

Great topic. A meditional group I attended in Florida weekly would begin by reading the prayer of St. Francis which I found really helpful for me.

"Lord make me a channel of thy peace-that where there is hatred, I may bring love--that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness--that where there is discord, I may bring harmony--that where there is error, I may bring truth--that where there is doubt, I may bring faith--that where there is despair, I may bring hope--that where there are shadows, I may bring lith--that where there is sadness, I may bring joy. Lord grant that I may seek to comfort than to be comforted- to understand, than to be understood--to love than to be loved. For it is by self forgetting that one finds. It is by forgiving that one is forgiven. It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life. Amen"



I find being open minded enough to try things is what I want to be about. White family fluff. Nice. The first time I dipped LSD on my own I had a very strange phenomenom happen. I was feeling rushes of energy flow through my arms and legs. I laid down with my GF who was asleep and placed my hand on her hip. I felt this flow of energy mildly run down my arm to my hand which was on her hip which was attatched to her leg which kicked and twitched. WEIRDNESS what I felt subjectively was causing a physical reaction in her. She was sleeping. Anyhow a few years later after a yoga class I was feeling the same energy/chi flowing in my body. The point of this is that Meditation, prayer, yoga all of these things are good.
Great topic.

"Further up and further In"
Aslan