Anrchy how do you use that, can you give me a bit of information on what you use and how you do it, thanks

I'm using a rebuildable dripping atomizer on a 50W mod, it's not the same capability.

this thing vaporizes 5 to 10 times more juice than any tank like protank or nautilus. they should not even be compared. Drippers are used for "cloud chasing" and they vaporize very large amounts of ejuice in one take.

Anything less, in my opinion, will not vaporize the DMT quickly enough.

this is what I'm using (similar)

http://youtu.be/xEj3ckSTtik

IMO it's not a matter of "can it happen", but rather a matter of "how can we make it happen?"

would DMT salts be some sort of option? (can be dissolved)

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=500468#post500468



Not really sure what you mean, you say I am wrong then go to outline why I am correct... ? Maybe you meant that it was "true".



I really dont want to spend any more money on this project so stop teasing me

Yes I think the mechanicals and dripper style atomizers are def going to be the ONLY way this is going to perform with an equivalent to the GVG (which is what it needs to be able to do).



No, DMT in its salt form has a much higher vaping temp. Also, DMT will dissolve fully in PG or VG. This has already been tested. This is not the issue.

hadoq your thread has been merged into the this thread now that contains a lot of info on this topic.

Hello everyone. Today is my first day on the Nexus as an active user, and I joined because of this thread and some others like it. I was absolutely fascinated when I learned of the prospect of infusing spice with ejuice, and so I did A LOT of research on it before attempting to do it myself.

From the treads I read, it made it look like a difficult (or possibly impossible) task that may or may not pan out. Regardless, it looked like it would take a lot of trial and error.

I recently did an extraction from 1kg of AC and yielded enough spice that I can experiment a bit without worrying about it if a batch of ejuice doesn't turn out.

What I found quite quickly however is that I was mistaken. It actually seems to work much better and more easily than I would have thought.

So let me first back up and give some detail about how I came about this project:

I had a friend of a friend tell me about what he called "the light saber." He told me that a friend of his at a forest gathering had one and it was DMT infused in ejuice and scented/flavored with essential oil. The idea was that you could take a little puff, become psychedelic for 5-10 minutes and then either take another or come down--or you could take a few tokes and be way up there.

I thought that it would be a perfect way to have a bit more control over a trip and come down if things got too crazy. My friend of a friend wanted one so he could use it in public and not have anyone know that he had anything other than a standard ecig.

Anyways, I told this friend of a friend that if he had access, I'd love to have one. He never came through though, so I decided that if you want something done right, you do it yourself. And that's what I did.

I read pretty much every thread on the Nexus I could find about this topic and combined that with lore that was floating around my local circle about how this might be possible. Here are my results:

Attempt #1:
I didn't have access to pure PG, VG, or PEG, so I just went to a smoke shop and got some 50/50 PG/VG blend. It was "Menthol Mania" flavor with 0 nicotine. I really didn't expect that it would work, but I wanted to see how the spice would dissolve.

I put exactly 1 ml of ejuice into the pen. Then I slowly added spice. I first added .25 grams. It looked like a lot for the small amount of ejuice, so I stopped there and mixed it in. The spice dissolved very quickly (less than an hour), but I could not get a noticeable affect from vaping it. I could taste the spice in it, but the menthol was TERRIBLE, and there was no affect that I could tell after five or six "average sized" tokes. I could taste the spice though. And this was good, because it told me that this is possible, and it didn't immediately clog my atomizer.

Oh! I should have said earlier that I used the advice from posts on here about the ecig tank and battery. I used a 3.3-4.2 adjustable voltage battery and keep the setting at 3.5 (this seems to work very well, but I haven't really tried higher settings). For the tank, I just wanted something that holds at least 1ml and has duel coil. Again, this was all advised from the Nexus forums and it's worked perfect so far--far better than I even expected.

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Attempt #2:
I used the same ejuice that I used for the last experiment. It was that 50/50 PG/VG blend with "Menthol Mania" flavor and 0 nicotine.

This one took just a bit longer to dissolve, but it did dissolve without too much trouble.

I dissolved a total of .5g of spice into 1 ml of the ejuice. It took a little under 2 hours to dissolve, made the juice a bit thicker and a bit yellow. There was a VERY slight increase in volume once I had a full .5g to 1ml of fluid.

The results: After 2 puffs I could feel threshold effects. Ears started ringing just slightly and I could tell that it was DMT. The taste was awful, and it tasted like medicine.

I should mention here that my friend of a friend recommended using essential oils to flavor the juice, but all the research I could find online said DO NOT DO THAT. It said that it would fuck up my atomizer. So I didn't do that, and hoped that the menthol flavor would cover up the DMT smell/taste. It did not though. It made it taste even worse than spice normally tastes because it had a mediciney taste. Absolutely horrible. But it worked.

Now this wasn't a blast off pen--I really don't think that you could do so with this mixture. What it did was put me in that psychedelic mindset and it was very pleasant after about 4-5 minutes when I started "coming down."

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So I actually thought that I would stop there. I had achieved building my very own "light saber" and I was finished. BUT... in the time before I succeeded with the .5g emulsion, I also went onto Amazon and ordered containers of pure PG, pure VG, and Pure PEG-400.

When that arrived in the mail last week, I didn't think much of it. I had already succeeded, I thought, so I didn't jump right on a new recipe. Instead it just sat on the counter for a few days. I had heard somewhere however of people dissolving 1g of spice into 1ml of ejuice at a 50/50 blend of VG/PG, and I had enough DMT that it wasn't going to hurt to try.

So I took a shot glass (which turned out to be MUCH easier to mix in than the pen carterage, and I highly recommend). I took a syringe and sucked up .5ml of pure PG then put it in the shot glass. Then I did the same with .5ml of VG and put it in the shot glass.

So I had exactly 1 ml of a PG/VG (unflavored) blend to which I added EXACTLY 1 gram of spice. It looked like a lot, and I didn't think that it would dissolve fully, but I gave it about 48 hours. After two days it was still very slightly grainy, but mostly dissolved.

It wasn't flavored though, and I didn't want just straight spice in the pen, so I stopped for a bit (that's why I let it sit for a full 48 hours). And while it was sitting I spent a lot of time researching how to flavor ecig juice. (NOTE: I do not smoke cigs and did not know much about ecigs before starting these experiments). What I learned is that I should NOT use essential oil for the flavor as that would clog my pen. Basically, I learned that you need to use special ecig juice flavoring from online--couldn't get it anywhere in town.

But then I remembered that I do have this stuff that I bought about a month ago. It was called "ICE" and it was "hookah flavoring." It was mint flavor. The package did not have ANY information regarding the contents of the fluid, but I had vaped it out of a crack pipe once or twice as DMT "practice." My theory was that if I do this a few times with no spice in it, then I'd be less scared/intimidated/nervous going into real blastoff sessions.

Anyways, I took that "ICE" stuff and dropped 15 drops into the shot glass.

So the ending recipe was:
1ml ecig juice (50/50 VG/PG blend)
1gram spice (Extracted from AC, if you're interested)
15 drops of "ICE" for flavor.

Results:
I've been taking rigorous notes through this entire thing, and here's the notes that I took last night after trying the above recipe (yes, I was still tripping just a bit when I wrote this): "You are now asking to travel into a universe where there are no words and you cannot report back. You can come back, yes; you cannot and will not be able to report what you witness and behold. Before you proceed further, please spend some time meditating upon whether or not you actually, at your heart, want to do this."

So in other words... holy doodie.

I did not blast off on it, but I think that, despite my thinking going into this project, it might be possible to do so with this recipe. Here are the subjective effects that I had in the recipe.

-1 "average sized" puff: slight anesthetic/drowsiness. Not dizziness, but I can definitely feel something.
-Taste was NOT as bad as that "menthol mania" crap that I was using; it kind of tasted like toothpaste.
-2 puffs: obvious CEV and beginning to get OEV
-3 puffs: obvious CEV and OEV
-4 puffs: starting to get pretty heavy CEV and OEV
-5 puffs: not yet tested.

I was in my bedroom last night, and I don't like using spice indoors--I prefer it in a grassy field or something beautiful like that. So I will have to test beyond this, but I feel confident that at 5-6 heavy puffs, it will be possible to go a long ways with this.

I'd also like to note that I found a great use for the pen: Right after a blastoff. I had my birthday recently, so I went up on a mountain with a friend and had a blastoff ceremony. On the way down when I got back to this world, I started puffing the .5ml emulsion and it was so wonderful. It just kept me at that post breakthrough level where I could have COMPLETE control of whether I went back up a bit higher or came down a bit lower. It was heavenly.

So Nexus'ers--This is why I joined the site and I'm excited to share, but I didn't want to go straight to my normal stomping grounds at the shroomery, because the Nexus is how I got most of my information and seems a bit more safe to share here.

My question for you all: What's a better way to flavor the juice without diluting the mixture? Anyone have a home made recipe? Or should I go online and order some ecig juice concentrate flavoring? Any suggestions on what would mask the flavor/smell of spice? I was thinking maybe a HEAVY berry flavor or maybe go heavier on the mint, but I'm still skeptical, because it still does taste like burned plastic.

I look forward to y'all's replies

There's a few sites that i have used that sell concentrated flavoring along with 100% pg, vg, nicotine ect. And i cant find them at the moment. Hoosier ecigs website allows for you to custom make a mixture that they package for you so try that out.

Would you mind telling us the make of the tank you use as well as the ohm rating of the coil? Generally when it comes down to voltage/wattage settings you want to use the proper setting for that ohm coil. Although with my setup i can run fairly high wattage no matter the ohms without getting any burnt taste.

I would also like to know exactly what battery you are using. Another thing that would be helpful for anyone else interested in this topic is how long specific coils last when being used strictly for dmt. My current tank that i use only for nicotine supplementation needs the coil replaced approx ever 10-14 days.

VG heavy mixtures are not recommended for wick style tanks. Im considering selling my setup to try out a mechanical mod drip tip style for this use but have not decided yet.

The globe atomizer i use for dmt seems to work better than tanks if your interested in experimenting with different things, they can be found fairly cheap online.

Welcome to the ecig research team!

Thank you, good sir! I am nothing short of honored to be a piece of the puzzle.

Like I said in my first post, I really had never even owned an ecig before beginning this project, so my knowledge of their operation, settings, and whathaveyou is largely beyond me.

But that's also the point of what I was most surprised by: it seems to work in every configuration I've tried. Mind you I haven't gotten a lot of use out of any of the tanks yet (it's hard to just experiment with spice over and over and over again to test the life of a tank--datz scary), they all seem to work without having to even tweak the recipe.

But to a set your question: I was looking for this setup:
[taken from my notes going into the store]
-variable voltage eGo battery (and charger)
-Kanger T3s clearomizer

I ended up buying several tanks, all generic variations of the "mini pro tank 3 (duel coil): clear atomizer series)" that were about $7-14 a piece. I got three of them. In one I had no spice, just so I could figure out how it works--it was my first one. The second tank was a generic one, but based on the Kanger one I described above, and that's the one I had the .5g to 1ml of medicine-tasting ecig juice. I had in total at least 20 puffs on that one so far and it seems to be working fine (20 puffs = about 1/3 ml). The third was another generic and it held exactly one ml, and I put the 1g of spice with the 15 drops of Fantasia brand "Ice." Off of that we have puffed around a dozen puffs and that's the one that blew my socks off last night. Not breakthrough, but just thresholding it was sort of intimidating. It was like having the secret of the universe in my hands in the shape of a pen. Felt biblical, or what the kids nowadays are callin' "Epic."

And the battery: I have actually used two, which further demonstrates my amazement at how easy this has been and how simple it seems to be. I've used the adjustable, generic brand one that I listed above, and it is set to "3.5." I don't know if that's volts, watts, inches, or alligators. Like I said, I don't know nearly enough about this for it to work as well as I've found.

And as a final note, I'd just like to say, "gee-golly, this is awesome. I feel like I'm working along side my own teachers."

Oh--and the other battery was actually one that came with a wax pen I picked up awhile back. The "vaped mini" or something like that. The only reason I used that was because the adjustable battery didn't quite fit in my GVG case [by the way, thank you all for your posts on the GVG and advising to buy the bigger case] and that's what I was bringing with me to a ceremony on Monday. I used that on the way back from a breakthrough trip to just hang at that super-trippy-post-mind-exit-spirit-oneness-state" that I find after a big dose. So I puffed on that (as did my lil brother) on the way down and it worked as desired.

we are all students my friend.

So ya the 3.5 designates voltage. Wattage would be more in the 7-15 range. The coil itself should be removable and most times (not always) has the ohms displayed on it somewhere. This should read 1.5, 1.8, 2.0, 2.2 ect. Lower ohm (1.5-1. is desirable. So you get a better understanding of what im talking about look up an ecig voltage graph. I would link one but im multi tasking on my phone at the moment. They show what voltage you "should" use for certain ohm coils.

Unfortunately this can get expensive, but i would like to compile a list of all the atomizers we have tried so far and then maybe we can pick some others and try them.

If everything goes as planned i am going to do a couple tests tonight with the globe and a nice clean atomizer.

Thank you. That makes a lot more sense than some of the info I've found elsewhere online.

I'll check that when I get another one tomorrow. I do know that the ones I'm picking from are from this little ecig shop that sells the Kanger that I posted about earlier, but I'll try to remember to check tomorrow, as I'm picking up a new one.

Also, further testing on the most recently described setup has come back with positive results.

Further testing later.

I should also add that our goal (whether reachable or not) should be largest dose possible in one lungful. Luckily with this method one lungful can still be attained through multiple puffs.

I guess i'll call it the drinking straw method for those that are unaware. Just like with using a straw to drink a liquid you fill your mouth with the first draw, quickly inhale that and while holding that in you take your next draw, inhale repeat. That way you can hold in your entire hit as if its one.

If we stick to using this method it will allow us to guage the effectiveness and compare it to say a single held hit with the gvg.

You describe the drinking straw method well, and that's exactly how I use this method. I call each one a "puff."

From what I see and have researched, I just cannot see the ecig bringing us to a one hit breakthrough. Maybe two or three lungfulls with a perfectly refined recipe and a massive atomizer. And I really don't think it could compete against the GVG. That said, I ain't done testen' 'em, and this has only been a week or so of work as of yet.

I would like to note that the PEG 400 seems especially thin. Maybe high concentration (2-3 g per ml?) could be mixed in pure. If you were to find an atomizer that works with this solution reliably and produces massive clouds, you could be into something.

I agree, it just doesnt seem like this style is capable enough. One member did try peg, would like to hear from him again to see if he has done anything further. Would like to add, i never attempted anything beyond 1g to 1ml and nothing lends me to believe that a more concentrated mixture isnt possible with pure pg. Just never tried. I think this is an avenue that needs to be explored.

Im loving this information it's the way I want to go once my extraction is done, if you can keep the thread updated that would be great, at the min i've got the kanger mini tank and the vision spinner battery with adjustable voltage so would this work for me

So far from what we have gathered it would only produce low dose experiences. Which is hardly desirable. Unless you have the dmt to spare AND want to help out i would stick with vaping the traditional way until we come up with a solid combination that works for atleast low level breakthroughs.

Wow, Scientificmethod, you really helped a lot here, detailed information on what you did and also the detailed results.

The fact that you are getting concrete results with the gear you're using is extremely encouraging.

The main advantages of your method are very important in matter of portability/discretion.


From where I am now, here are my own trials (and errors, mostly, I couldn't say I have a proper success yet)

Unfortunately, my crystals are much more counted, so I'm experimenting with much lower quantities.

for my latest try, I mixed approximately 100mg into 2ml. it's, obviously not that 1:1 ration that you've been using, but then, I'm not after the same results quite yet and I'm also using a more efficient ecig setup (which is what they'd call a "sub ohm" setup, using dual, very low resistance coils that are able to vaporize juice much faster.

When chain vaping, I got some effects, not to the point of having visuals, but a definite body high and feeling of well being.


As for now, as far as I can tell, here is what I believe would work best as far as equipment.

- Variable Wattage mod (between 30 and 100W maximum wattage, Hana box 30W, IPV2 50W or IPV3 150W for example)
- Dual coil Dripping atomizer with large air holes (to smoothen and produce more vapor)
- Wide bore drip tip


I feel kinda embarassed because I did some trials but didn't write everything down like you did. I'll definitely do it for next time.

thank you so much for your info

Awesome hadoq. Although i want to add i feel even my 15w tesla mod may be capable of producing breakthrough-ability i do feel that a high wattage (15watt and above) is required for any desirable effects.

So with a high wattage mod also what will be needed is either a rebuildable atomizer or a low ohm atty. With these higher quality vaporizers there is also no need to take puffs and tinkering around with mine i was able to produce fairly large clouds just inhaling straight to the lungs and set at 15 watts.

So to recap the following is needed in order to get better results than we have so far:

A mod with the capability of setting to 15 watts or more.

An atty of 1.5ohms or less (even sub ohm) *caution as sub ohm used incorrectly can blow up your battery

A battery that provides the power your mod needs (usually 18650 35amp or higher)

A mixture of dmt at a 1:1 ratio (mg to ml) *i say this because we haven't established if lower ratios work with the really high powered mods

(i want to thank mustelid for providing information)

Anarchy can you recommend a cheapish setup to get mild to sub breakthroughs until we get further along with the ecig approach. Thanks

Theres the VAMO and I have seen some tesla's online for a decent price, thats what I have. If you can find a tesla for your price range I recommend that.

The DNA-30 is a 30watt
http://www.cloudsofvapor...ods/231-dna-30-mods.html

Tesla on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/...Kit-w-Tank-/380820209471

Another tesla
http://www.vapor-hub.com...lectronic-cigarette-mod/

Tobh rebuildable atty (clone)
http://www.vividsmoke.co...v2-atty-clone-white.html

Vamo v3
http://www.fasttech.com/...-voltage-wattage-mod-apv

Vamo v5
http://vapingcheap.com/c...garette-mod-vv-vw-38-75/

That will hopefully help. The more you dig and research the more you will learn about what you should be looking for.

some more links
Tobh Atty clone rebuildable dripper $10.25
http://www.fasttech.com/p/1689300

wide bore top cap for that atomizer $2.47
http://www.fasttech.com/...ts/3023/10009421/1871907

this is not the one that I use, but it's very easy to setup for beginners and pretty straightforward, no modifications needed

shipping takes some time with this website but it's free starting $20 and everything there is very cheap

do NOT order batteries from there (orders with batteries will ship by sea, so expect 2-4 months shipping, you do not want that, usually it's 2/3 weeks)

As for batteries, I would recommend Sony VTC4 (if you can still find them) but the easiest route would be Efest 18650 2500Mah 35A (the purple ones)

For kanthal (resistive wire), 0.3 or 0.4 will work fine for sub ohm dual coil (7 wraps around a 2mm axle, usually I use those blue screwdrivers that they give away with atomizers)

For cotton, it's best to use japanese cotton (Koh Gen Doh or Puff) or the brand "cotton bacon"


As for the variable mod, Vamo V6 is a cheap option (30W) you can find Cloupor DNA30 for around $80, probably even cheaper, it's easy to find used ones as well

Nowadays, the "hot" boxes are Pioneer4you IPV3 (150W) and Sigelei 100W, both for around $100/$140

It's probably easy to find used IPV2 as well (50W) this is the one I use

those are not for sale on fasttech website, at the exception of Vamo V6

If you really WANT a tank, IMO, the best around, for taking high wattage is the Flash-E vapor (availaible on fasttech for maybe $12)

+1 ^^^