So I'm having trouble getting the courage to fully break-through. Usually when I try to smoke I'll use a little bit (about 15-20mg, I can't be too sure since I don't think my scale is the most accurate), and I start feeling like I'm starting to get pulled further away from everything I see but my vision is zooming in just as fast as I'm moving away if that makes sense, then everything starts to feel round but not in shape, just in their energy, then I get worried and stop.

Today was the first time that I took a second puff and I felt like my body wasn't "mine" anymore, that nothing belonged to everything and vice versa? I'm very confused.

I didn't really feel nausea or anything like that, so I don't know what's making me uncomfortable.

The only two things that I can think of are my device (a micro g pen, I can't get successful hits with my VG classic for some reason) or my setting, which is my bedroom in my apartment.

Unless that's completely normal at lower doses and will go away if I break-through? I just want to test the waters I guess.

Thanks

ditch the pen, learn to use the VG better. You should, when done properly, be able to take the entire dose in a single hit. This is what you need to aim for. That way you weigh, and dose. It sounds to me that you are not getting the effects relative to a 15-20mg dose with your methods. The uncomfortableness will disappear when you breakthrough.

Learn to overcome any fears, force yourself to smile going in. Enjoy it, every part. Its a learning experience for sure, but once you get it you will enjoy it that much more.

I wasted a hundred dollars on one of those vape pens.. they work for some oils.. but not so good for spice..
Good advice ditch the pen...!

you would have better results with a Vapor Genie or even a cheap tobaco pipe..
Relax first and sing a song on your way up..you should be fine.

Just out of curiosity, what should a 15mg-20mg dose feel like? I can't really describe the most intense that I've felt yet, it was just jagged and ripply feeling.

Also, does anyone have the best (or their preferred) method of the original vapor genie? I've tried hitting it like I would with weed, then I tried it as described in a post from here (can't remember the source) that basically said "empty your lungs, put a bic right up to the ceramic, and start to inhale slowly until you can't inhale anymore"

Hmmm

Stick some tubing on the end of your VG so you can see the vapor. You can get rid of the tubing after you get your technique down. And make sure to use a torch lighter, because soft flame lighters don't work as well for our purpose.

I'll try that, do I just inhale once I see vapor? Also, is intense tinnitus normal? I noticed that each time I've smoked it. I have that normally when I'm sober, but it's very subtle usually

My friend said his stainless VG bat worked just fine with a bic lighter.

Do some breathing excersizes to saturate your body with oxygen. Makes the hoot a lot easier.

I could suggest pooching a bowl of ganja in the VG and then stirring it around before loading. That way you have a good base to put the spice on so it will soak in rather than run through, and if it's pooched, then you're getting a pretty pure hoot. My friend had no problems going with his VG bat. Needed a bit more heat than ganja did, so keep that in mind, but the bic worked just fine. The clear tubing may be a good idea if you're not well-versed in the VG. I've used a VG for about 2 years now and my technique is pretty close to flawless, but it's way different than any kind of toking technique, that's for sure.

My friend said he didn't get tinnitus. He just compared it to other psychedelicss, but with stronger visuals overall.

that reminded me exactly of my first experiments. taking the third toke is not the easiest thing, mentaly. just dare to take it

when i had the intention to take the third toke (with my improvised device; 50ml borosilicate beaker and aluminium foil...) i was quite unsure after the second, because the effects already were profound: the room was lit in golden light, although it was a sunny summer afternoon, my body felt funny. then i heared terrence mckennas' voice: "always take the third toke!" and did so.

it felt like terrence had only existed to tell me that sentence in this moment. i obeyed and off i went

breaking through is a more comfortable feeling for me than lingering just in front of it.

good luck

I have to agree with anrchy. The handful that I know that have used the pen NEVER had a decent experience.

If you are uncomfortable with the VG, I have used a long bubbler with a deep pit and a pocket torch (and for the most part, it's given me a better Journey than any VG) Some people strictly like to use VGs, but if you're lax about it like I am, I wouldn't sweat it.

+1

Also, your standard "Bic-style" lighter will leave a buildup of soot on the ceramic diffuser of the VG. Butane torch-style lighters will not.

The uncomfortable body feeling you describe is very familiar to me. When the onset is slow enough (dose low enough) to slowly be seduced into leaving the body behind, I object to it.

When I broke through for the first time this evening I was catapulted into it so rapidly that there were no issues with bodily discomfort. There were discomforts on the return though. I was shivering and trembling and feeling very, very cold.

I use a glass oil burner pipe and a jet lighter.

If.. there was a way to blend DMT into an esential oil...vaping pens might work well!
But the tiny chambers in the pen wont handle enough dmt without fowling the heat coil..
Meaning it hard to get a large enough hit with them.../
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The uncomfortable feeling won't go away until you're no longer uncomfortable! I'm sure 99% of us have been there. Keep at it with a pace that you're confident with and work your way up. Test the waters, there's no need to dive right in head first in the beginning. The more secure you feel with DMT the more your experiences will evolve.