Hello everyone

I have only just joined to this site and it really does seem to be an awesome place. I am just writing this in the hope that I could get some answers to a couple questions I have. Any comments welcome

I know the questions I'm going to ask might've already been asked before but I feel that they have been answered for a different person and things could be one way for one person and completely different for an other. I don't really know if that makes sense but I guess I'm just a little strange and would like some advice for me personally please lol

So here it is, I have been doing a lot o research about dmt, I've watched nearly every video/documentary possible on dmt and I've read peoples experiences but I feel like all this cannot prepare me for actually doing dmt myself.
I've never done any kind of psychedelic before, I only smoke cannabis every now and then. Now I've been researching about dmt for a good 7-8 months and the time has finally come around where I can obtain some, which should be in about a week or so. But from what I've heard it can be pretty extreme, I am just curious as to weather I should be frightened? I wouldn't say frightened, it's more a mix of emotions, excited too but not knowing what to expect is the scary part.
So is there anything I should do just before I take the dmt to maybe calm myself down or get into a certain frame of mind? If so how do I do this, maybe meditation or something?
And also I've heard about rolling dmt up in a spliff, would this be a good idea for a first time just to get used to the feeling? I don't want to go straight into the deep end here, please give suggestions or thoughts. Everything helps , thanks a bunch people
PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set:
(physical condition) Set:
Setting (location):
time of day: (12 or 24 hour system, daylight? starlight? overcast?)
recent drug use: (list also any kind of medication)
last meal: (Time and type)

PARTICIPANT
Gender: (m / f)
body weight: (in kg pls)
known sensitivities:
history of use: (experienced, novice, first timer - in general and for this specific substance/form)

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): (list all taken substances)
Dose(s): (in the same order as Substances pls, use metric system i.e. g/ mg/ �g)
Method of administration: (dissolved in water, capsuls, insufflated, vaporized...)


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=0:00 (expand this if you used delayed administration for multiple substances or the same substance with multiple doses. Use indices.)
Duration: (x hours)
First effects:
Peak: (estimate a time range and note as e.g. T=2:00-4:00 for a range of 2 hours beginning 2 hours after administration)
Come down:
Baseline:

Intensity (overall): (use HRS-like scale i.e. 0-4: 0 = "Not at all;" 1 = "Slightly;" 2 = "Moderately;" 3 = "Quite a bit;" 4 = "Extremely."
Evaluation / notes:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: (0-4)
Implesantness: (0-4)
Visual Intensity: (0-4)
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: (0-4 ; what type of impleasantness ; duration)
Afterglow: (0-4 ; what type of positive effects ; duration)


REPORT
(write your trip report as you would normally write it here)
PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set:
(physical condition) Set:
Setting (location):
time of day: (12 or 24 hour system, daylight? starlight? overcast?)
recent drug use: (list also any kind of medication)
last meal: (Time and type)

PARTICIPANT
Gender: (m / f)
body weight: (in kg pls)
known sensitivities:
history of use: (experienced, novice, first timer - in general and for this specific substance/form)

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): (list all taken substances)
Dose(s): (in the same order as Substances pls, use metric system i.e. g/ mg/ �g)
Method of administration: (dissolved in water, capsuls, insufflated, vaporized...)


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=0:00 (expand this if you used delayed administration for multiple substances or the same substance with multiple doses. Use indices.)
Duration: (x hours)
First effects:
Peak: (estimate a time range and note as e.g. T=2:00-4:00 for a range of 2 hours beginning 2 hours after administration)
Come down:
Baseline:

Intensity (overall): (use HRS-like scale i.e. 0-4: 0 = "Not at all;" 1 = "Slightly;" 2 = "Moderately;" 3 = "Quite a bit;" 4 = "Extremely."
Evaluation / notes:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: (0-4)
Implesantness: (0-4)
Visual Intensity: (0-4)
.
.
.


AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: (0-4 ; what type of impleasantness ; duration)
Afterglow: (0-4 ; what type of positive effects ; duration)


REPORT
(write your trip report as you would normally write it here)

hi

please, if you order it from somewhere, get a test kit and test it, before using:

http://www.eztest.nl/product/ez-test-for-lsd-2/
also aplicable for dmt

you have time. impatience is your worst enemy with dmt.

i would recommend that you extract the dmt yourself. there are plant-suppliers you can order from online, with cash in the mail. stay safe, invest as much time in that as you did for the substance and it is a rewarding and exciting task to do.

extracting is easy, you are here now, you can get all the help you need.

get a proper smoking device before you get the dmt. i really can recommend the vapor genie. hmmm, but also, as a rite of initiation, try smoking it with your own method. you will burn some, you will get the stingy lung (not too troublesome, just a bit painful for some hours) and you will never let friends experience that

get to know dmt. try a small toke first. play with it. and when you feel comfortable with it, remember terence mckenna:

"Always take the third toke"

remember it, say it in your head now:

"Always take the third toke"

because after two tokes you will be quite under the influence and definitly feel your body in a way, you have never felt it before. with the first toke comes a golden glow, appreciate it and trust the dmt, that it will give you a nice experience. then the second one. and:

"Always take the third toke"

you will blast off into hyperspace. just relax. and listen. just listen. it will tell you something.

you do not have to fear the experience itself. from all what i did (lsd, 2cb mdma, ketamin), under safe conditions, it is the most gentle psychedelic but also the one with the strongest effects. treat it like a valuable piece of fragile glass. you would not take that out to a bar or start juggling with it, do you get it? Just respect the substance. We all were nervous before our first lift off that is part of the game.

no matter what you experience, when coming down, keep in mind:

Don't harm yourself or others. If the dmt tells you, that you have to die, DO NOT mix that
up with suicide. Yes, THERE COULD BE A PART OF YOU that has to die, that is not you, but your ego. And you can not let it die for the good of yourself, but the good of others. "Sacrifice" yourself.

a very good post, on what the ego is, is from "tip" in this thread (12-12-2007, 02:17)
https://www.drugs-forum....m/showthread.php?t=43062

good luck there is nothing to fear. nothing

Thanks a lot for the reply, and I'll definitely have to get the test kit just so I know what I'm dealing with.
I have also looked into extracting the dmt myself before but I wasn't too sure how much room for error there is, is there a way I could mess up really bad or is it pretty basic?

Yeah I have been told vapourizing is the best method, I'll have to tryy that after thanks. Baby steps though eh?

Alright that seems pretty easy to remember, well thank you very much for the help! Not so worried now, just excited haha

Thanks again and I might post about my first experience if all goes well. I'm sure I won't be able to shut up about it

with a straight to base (stb) extraction you are pretty safe. read about it in the wiki. be safe NaOH is caustic and pretty bad for your skin and eyes. use safety goggles and have vinegar ready to neutralize any spills. and NaOH and aluminium are a very bad combo use wood or glass to stir.

and you definitly will have something to tell please send me a link

Ohh alright, wow you know your stuff aha. I'll have to do a little research and check that out then. Thanks a lot, has really helped

And I'll make sure I do

You're right that nothing can prepare you for it. In my experience even with smaller doses I always felt soooo happy. Like I was in love for the first time. Just relax, let go, and let dmt guide your journey!

It really does sound amazing. Is there a big difference between having a break through experience and just the visuals without breaking through? I'd like to get used to the visuals before I go shooting off ahaa

Lmao yup! The visuals are nothing! I had my first breakthrough last night! I've had lots of isuals but this wasn't anything I can quite describe. All I can really say to put it into perspective is once you've had one, you definitely won't need to ask!

I'm going to do it again tonight. But visuals and hyperspace aren't anything alike.

Hello Dmt-Newbie,

welcome to the forum.

Extracting your own dmt is highly recommended and it's not any more difficult than following a recipe from a cook-book. You need to have the right tools and the right chemicals to do it, plus the plant matter, but in general these things can be easily obtained. I remember when I was getting ready to extract how I would browse through hardwear stores and the likes to find everything I needed. Now, even when I don't extract I still look for extraction supplies, just in case I need to at some point...

Aside from the safety factor and the idea of not supporting drug-trade, I like extracting your own, or even better growing your own (for example with mushrooms or cannabis) because it gives yourself a different level of preparation for the substance and experience and a different relationship to it. I see it like the "wax-on, wax-off" training of the Karate-Kid in the old movie, it's a subtle mind-set thing getting you involved in the whole topic and getting to know the molecule in a way that the experience itself will not offer.

The breakthrough experience is definitely very different from sub-breakthrough experiences. The sub-breakthrough is like looking at the ocean from the shore and seeing how beautiful it is. The breakthrough is diving into it and maybe even turning into a fish. Both experiences are interesting, one is not necessarily better than the other. Starting out with small doses until you feel confident is IMO the way to go. This may be a matter of hours or days, or may take longer. It depends wholly on you and you should not let yourself be hastened down this path for any reason. Find your own pace.

As for the three hits, it is my experience (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this), that if the proper technique and smoking device is used one can get a breakthrough experience with as little as 30mg and one hit. Even with the right pipe - GVG or similar - and lighter it can take a while to get the technique down, so don't give up or get frustrated, just keep experimenting.

good luck.

Ohh right, I'll have to have a link ad see what's needed for the extraction cause I think it would be good to do. Yeah I understand what you mean there with the relationship to it through doing it yourself, I'm growing my own cannabis at the moment and there's a sorta connection and sense of achievement you get when it's all done. Not like buying it from a local dealer so I can understand that. Is there a certain place I can get these chemicals or should I just search around online?

Wow! That's a good description aha, so they both sound amazing but the break through is more involved it sound like.

Ohh I see, so I could break through with only 30mg. I was wondering how long a half gram should last me too. Is dmt something you can do all in the space of a couple days or should I leave a few days between, or is it just a matter of personal preference?

And thanks a lot for the answer, I feel more prepared now.

Some experienced users say between once a month and four times a year. This is taking into account full break through's. If you're only looking to get your feet wet with some low dose, then one hour breaks between doses is normal. I smoke continually for up to 4 hours on occasions but you wont find much support for that here on the nexus.

You may find that you get called back when the time is right.

Ohh that's quite a while, right I see. I think I'll use your method if I can just have a couple hits every hour or so and save the rest for when I feel like it. Thank you

If I were you, I'd take a look at the different extraction teks, find one that looks easy and comprehendable and is written in a way that works for me. Then make a list of all the things you need and start brainstorming on where to get them. A lot of things can be found in the supermarket or at hardware stores, depending on what country you live in. Some you might have to buy online. Be sure to read the contents of the products you use because any contamination in the chemicals you use will end up to some degree in your dmt.

As for how much and how often you should smoke - it's personal preference. I know people that like to dose once a week, others once every few months, others every night and several times for their exploration phases. There's no rule for this other than that you should not neglect the rest of your life or your responsibilities because of dmt, and that you should always try to use in a constructive way rather than destructive.

Hi I have some advise for you.
Do it outside, in a garden, a field ,on a hill etc.
I found my first indoor experience to be shocking and I fought it all the way.
Outside in the open air is just beautiful .
Good luck

I would recommend taking it outside somewhere peaceful outside in nature by yourself or with trusted friends who understand what you are doing. It will probably take you a bit to learn to vaporize it properly but I would do so carefully and at your own pace so you don't wind up with more than you expected. Once your familiar with vaporizing the skies the limit; if it were me I would move slowly, respectfully and mindfully forward. It will always be there so there is no need to rush.

Also you shouldn't support people trying to make money from this chemical.

Good luck man!

I'll have to look around for and see what I can find bit for the first time I'm not going to extract. Ahh okay, I think ill space it out over a little while as to not waste it all. Good advice, thank you. I mainly want to do dmt because I hear you can learn things from it, I think that would be a cool experience.

And deltaspice, I was thinking about doing it outside in an open area like a field maybe. The area I live is really dull and depressing tbh lol I thought doing dmt in this area wouldn't be too good.

Hey spractal

I was thinking about doing it with a good friend who has been waiting patiently like myself to have this experience. I think vaporizing will be my next step after I try it in a spliff just so I can get used to the sensation and visuals.
Yeah I understand and that's a good point. Once I've done it this one time I'm gonna go for the extraction myself and see how it goes.
Thank you, think I'll need it aha

a field is an excellent option, especially at night with a clear sky, but the day is good as well.

Failing that, in bed in silent darkness is an excellent choice.

Oh yeah thanks or saying that, that brings me to another question. Sorry for all the questions people haha. I was just wondering if it's better to do dmt during day/night or light/dark surroundings? Although I haven't done psychedelics just yet I've heard that things like mushrooms or LSD are better in a dark room. Is this the same with dmt?

I've only ever assisted one person to her first experience. I had my bedroom clean as can be fresh micro fiber blankets (very comfy). I had her relax on my recliner, sandwiched between the comfy blankets and told her to get naked but she didnt want to (she's an x-gf). I had innerworldsmovie.com loaded and ready for her to watch/listen to. Told her that she would not be disturbed for any reason for at least 15-20 mins and to pound on the wall if she need me. I then assisted her in taking the full 3 hits and told her to just enjoy the experience and closed the door behind me.

When I returned she was coiled up in a ball on her side under the blankets. Her face was abit red, runny nose and looked like she may have been crying. She said she left her body and was amazed by the whole thing etc etc... She didnt understand why I did everything the way that I did, especially the part about not staying with her, but afterwards she understood and told me i did everything perfectly. Then we had sex for old times sake lol.


For the first time I recommend where ever and when ever you are most content, comfortable, and safe.