TLDR: New user, 40mg. Intense vibrations and OBE but the only visuals I'm experiencing are patterns when my eyes are closed. Is this normal?


I'm looking for help and guidance from some of the more experienced users out there Since I've joined this forum, everyone has been very kind and helpful. I really appreciate it.

About me:
-29, healthy and active
-I only have about 1 week of actual first hand experience with DMT. My doses so far have been: 5mg, 15mg, 20mg, 20mg, 30mg, 40mg.
-I'm not on any meds except some aspirin or tylenol here or there
-Method of administration: Sandwich method with mullein leaf (not cannabis). I'm not a smoker but I'm pretty sure I'm taking very large hits from my bong.



-My most recent trip: 40mg sandwich from a bong
-Setting: dark room with 2 sober people. music with jazzy steady beat playing softly in the background.

I took 3 LARGE hits. On my second exhale, I started to see that my hands were blurry but had sharp edges. It reminded me of the "motion blur" feature in Photoshop. After my third exhale I said "I'm gone" and closed my eyes. I instantly felt my body disintegrate and felt like my consciousness was being shot out of a cannon. Then the most intense vibrations and high pitched squelching noise filled my surroundings. It was so strong I felt like my head was going to pop. This entire time there was a beautiful wall of patterns and fractals dancing in front of me (my eyes were closed). But it wasn't bright... It was like watching a Flash animation of blue and green designs on a black background.

While the vibrations are getting stronger, I hear some kind of noise nearby. Because I had no sensation of time, my body, or my breathing I thought it was probably paramedics in the room. Either that or I was in a coma in a hospital. I found out later that it was actually just my friend walking around. The vibrations and ringing noise kept getting louder. Part of me was fighting it and the other part was saying "it's ok, you've heard about this happening to other people, it's just your brain tuning in". But, my head never actually "popped".

Eventually it all subsided and I came back to awareness. I was told that I was breathing fine but my body was stiff as a board because I was so tense. When I came out of it, I wasn't anxious or scared, I was just in awe. I could only say "wow... woa, holy fuck, whaaaa, etc" for about 10 minutes. I was in complete astonishment at the feeling of leaving my body.



Now, the same spice at even lower doses (25-35mg) gave my friend intense CEV and OEV. He was seeing light splashing and being sliced across the wall, snakes, light cubes, and all sorts of other objects. He said he never broke through at those low doses. I believe him because his 50mg doses were described completely different.

My question is this: Is it normal for a sub breakthrough experience to have such little visuals? Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what could it be?

I am just starting out as well and I could definitely relate to your description of "watching a Flash animation of blue and green designs on a black background." It looks like a bunch of blue and teal/neon green cubes forming out of the light behind my eyelids, as if they are transparent and just draped over the black background. They morph into snake like trails, it's really hard to describe but I'm glad you posted this, I am seeing the same thing.

Interesting... Yes I definitely know what you mean about the transparency. I'm glad you mentioned that. Glad to know I'm not immune to this stuff or anything. It sounds like we just need to do more and go further.

Id be careful wondering past 40mg, it may be that you have high tolerance and need a bigger dose than others, but there is also the chance that your being unlucky and for some reason your dose isn't hitting the spot.

If the former is true then upping dosage is fine, but if its the latter then pushing past 40mg into the 50mg+ range might give you an experience you really don't want.

DMT is immensely powerful and it can ruin you.

I suggest that before you start upping your dose you infuse your magic into some herb instead of sandwiching it. If you still get the same effects then id start to up the dose.

Ok thanks for the tip. I actually plan on making changa this week. I'll be sure to start small again with the changa.

..anyone knows abbout the differences in NMT/DMT ratio in spice extracted from acrb vs mhrb, chacruna, chaliponga...etc (using, let's say, cyb's salt tek)?

To quote Terrence Mckenna:
"If it doesn't work.. take more!"
"It's an art, it's something you coax into existence - anything worth doing is an art which is acquired"

I would be careful quoting such things. Usually when posts like this appear and the op decides to dose larger, they find their smoking technique was flawed and end up posting a new thread about how they dosed too much.

3rdi is spot on when he says "DMT is immensely powerful and it can ruin you."

What I'm going to say might not be pleasant, or even nonsensical to you, and other people, but...

...you might be just not ready yet. If you don't have any experience with psychedelics, and DMT is your first psychedelic...the doors of The Hyperspace might be shut for you until you're ready. And consider this, this is for your own good. For some people, blasting off to The Hyperspace can be traumatizing, to the point of going insane, maybe. Doors of The Hyperspace might be temporarily closed for you in order to prevent this. Now, I don't have any evidence for what I'm speaking, this is just my assumption based on my own personal experience. Don't up the dose. 40 mg is plenty, maybe you can eventually up it to 50, but if you don't breakthrough even on 50, it's not the dose problem.

So what you should do, is to keep smoalking to get familiar with The Molecule. Once you're ready, you'll see that waiting and practice was worth a wait.

(I'm not going to address other potential problems, such as improper vaporization, because it doesn't appear that they're problem here).

I hope that I was of any help.

Peace and love.

Some poeple just don't get so many visuals. In my experience, it differs each and every time. Putting harmalas in a mix with DMT definitely gives a different quality to my visuals. But since DMT was sharp and fast-paced it actually seemed to lessen them. Which has proven nice for exploration because it does linger on longer.

Tbh, I think what you where facing was kind of a test. And I must say I personally agree with oversoul's opinion and think that the visual experience is just not ready to give itself whole yet. But since you are just beginning, It is certainly not something to worry about. You might just be glad. haha.

was your dmt from mimosa..or..acacia?

Going slightly off-topic (slightly!) but can you guys say the same about Ayahuasca in relation to 'if you aren't ready, you don't get far'? I ask because I'm due to take my first journey soon, but I have never taken any kind of psychedelic substance. People told me I'm going off at the deep end, but I don't seek to 'trip' for fun; I'm treating Aya as medicine. Whether or not I get visuals is entirely by the by, but I do wonder if it's a similar principle

I hear what you're saying and appreciate the "warning". I definitely agree that spice is not for the average pot smoker or teenager. In fact, I was with someone else who was trying their first "real" psychedelic. She didn't really like it. I got the sense it was too powerful for her. I think it was because her mind wasn't in the right place.

But I was ready to see where it was going to take me. The only thing is that I was a bit uncomfortable about the ride there. Maybe that's why it didn't let me in. But I've waited 4 years for my mind to be in the right place for me to start this journey. Much like yourself I've been into meditation, spirituality, astral projection, lucid dreaming, etc. I'm a very deep thinker. I'm eager to see where the road leads. But I will take your word of caution.

By the way, come to think of it, I do have some psychedelic experience... I was prescribed some ambien once (and took it as prescribed). Thirty minutes after I took 1 pill, evil spirits and demons morphed out of my soup bowl to come attack my wife and I. I woke up in the hospital. Not fun at all.