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#1 Posted : 8/23/2014 9:51:35 AM

Its a question of perspective...


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Why is fear of death such a huge, primal part of our civilisation? Is it the fear of the unknown, the finality, perhaps the suffering, or the leaving of loved ones? Either way it grips most of humanity like a vice, and is a major, although perhaps subtle undercurrent, in a lot of our day to day actions.

Is all fear routed to the fear of death?

The more I venture into DMT, the more I am confronted with my fear. I have often journeyed and stared my death straight in the face. Sometimes this rocks me to my core, other times it seems gentle. And the more I am confronted with this fear the more it seems to dissipate, the more I look directly at it, the more it becomes transparent.

My fear comes from the feeling that 'I' will end. But is this statement true? On the surface it used to seem indisputable! 'I' will end, just like every 'I' before me.

But the next question then is, who is 'I'?

I'm reminded of a menacing entity, with a harlequin grin, seemingly trying to scare me, only to turn around and give me the most gregarious smile. As time goes on DMT seems to be showing me, in a very real way, that the fierceness of death is just an illusion. It's all part of the game.

I used to know this intellectually. I could rationalise that my life, an impossibly small cog in an impossibly large universe, mattered relatively little, and that humanity and life would span far beyond my death. But sometimes that thought brought with it a sense of profound sadness.

I used to hear it from spiritual teachers. 'You are consciousness everlasting, beyond ego, beyond the little me. And once you recognise this fact death loses it's sting.' But whilst I felt the truth in their words, I always felt that I could never trust in this because I had no experience of it. I didn't want to just 'believe' because belief was responsible for some pretty fucked up shit, from my perspective.

But DMT, with its vistas of infinite possibility, the familiar yet alien entities and the utterly earth shattering profoundness that it holds up to me, each time I journey, is gradually eroding the fear of death. As Terence McKenna says 'we don't know what death is!'

There is an infiniteness that we are all a fundamental part of. It is us. We are it.

Holy shit it's beautiful.

I don't know how to operate from here really. Old driving forces in my life are now just dust.

But what is gradually being revealed is a more beautiful way of existing in this world.

Namaste comes to mind.

I love you all. I love everything.

But fear hasn't completely gone. Perhaps because my mind still cannot understand the actual mechanics. It wants to know the ending to the story, before it has read the middle chapters. Sometimes it creeps up and grips like a vice, and tries to impose limits and conditions and control. But it is loosing its power. Gradually becoming transparent. I understand now what is meant by, you only have to look at it, and it's power disappears, as the harlequin esq illusion is revealed.

It's all part of the game.

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#2 Posted : 8/23/2014 11:46:41 AM

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It is us. We are it. Holy shit it's beautiful. I love everything.

..this is true, it's a fact Very happy

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darklordsson
#3 Posted : 8/23/2014 3:36:33 PM

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Haha, o boy. The idea of death is to simply scare people into a religious cultivation, when all you need is spiritual. Once you realize that this life is merely a blink of an eye, not even that long, you come to terms with this idea when you get down to it. Everybody passes away. Why is this a bad thing? Because we miss our departed's soo much. That's it. Where they go is anyone's guess but I can tell you one thing, its not a bad thing. Everybody does it. Its what you learned in this life that resonates with your being as you accede to the next dimension. The physical body just cant follow into this complex, new, alien world. Btw, the body isn't designed to last forever, your being is. Knowing this, you can ultimately say, I will live infinitely, so the idea of death becomes non-existent...

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#4 Posted : 8/23/2014 4:04:26 PM

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People have turned their back to spiritual and they've glued themselves to material world. Look at the world today! Look, and think carefully, which sentient and intelligent being would do this to their planet? Which intelligent and sentient being would first s**t, then burn their only home? The answer is: human.

Our materialism and greed is what causes fear of death. Our avarice, and strong will to grab anything we can, to satisfy our inflated egos. Our "understanding" that this life is the only one, and all that you will ever do is what you do in this life undoubtedly causes death anxiety to skyrocket. Think about midlife crisis. What do people who are suffering from it are thinking? They're thinking that they have not achieved enough. They think that their house is not big enough, they feel ashamed for not owning sports car, and they feel like they didn't earn enough money in their life. For these reasons, they think that their life is a failure.

On other side, those who have achieved money and power, they think that they're gods, and they're acting like it.

Then, end of the line for this world comes. Your death moment has finally approached. Your body is put in the ground. That's fine, but what else happens? It happens that people have become so obsessed with making loved one "rest in style", that they're now making designed coffins, they erect giant, decorated headstones, make crypts bigger than living rooms...all of this just to show how much they've loved their deceased ones. In materialistic world, materialistic things are display of love.

Materialism hurts us. It will not bring any good, all it brings is misery, depression and immense suffering. And it is going only to get worse. Mental disorders are skyrocketing, suicide rates are going up, alcoholism and drug abuse is on the rise. All of these are fruits of materialism and greed. And it is going to be bad, as long as we don't reunite with our mother, Gaia. Only then, we'll be able to bring balance back in our life. As long as we're thinking that our Mother is just a thing to exploit, and nothing more, we will cause suffering. When we reunite with our Mother, death will be celebrated as much as birth, not mourned.

Now, sorry if someone got offended by this. I just felt a desire to say everything that's on my heart, and what I'm honestly thinking.

(And yes, only valuable thing left in this world that seems people haven't forgot is love. It is still present, and as long as it's here, there's still hope).
 
darklordsson
#5 Posted : 8/23/2014 4:15:45 PM

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Sumd it up pretty good^

I had a good feeling about u from the beginningoversoul1919 so you got a vote for promotion a bit back from me. Buddy keep on trukin! Its a matter of being content with who you are, and what your situation is. I don't need a fancy house, or that car, or anything for that matter, its just a game, that I don't as well as you my friend, play.
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#6 Posted : 8/23/2014 4:34:59 PM

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darklordsson wrote:
Sumd it up pretty good^

I had a good feeling about u from the beginningoversoul1919 so you got a vote for promotion a bit back from me. Buddy keep on trukin! Its a matter of being content with who you are, and what your situation is. I don't need a fancy house, or that car, or anything for that matter, its just a game, that I don't as well as you my friend, play.
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I know, and I must admit that right now, I'm also part of this screwed up system and I'm also playing this "9 to 5" game because I'm trapped in it , just like majority of people on this planet. I'll find a way to escape from it, and liberate myself from this omniscient illusion were living in.

To all who find their happiness in luxury mansions and sports car, keep doing it, I can't and I won't prevent you from doing it. But know one thing, your wealth and power that you think you have are an illusion. Most of you will realize that sooner or later, and that's why psychologists are always rubbing their hands when they see patients like you knocking in their door.

Deep in myself, I know that I'm a richer person with a book and half gram of DMT, than you'll ever be with all your money, your mansion and your fancy car.

And, BTW, thanks, darklordsson. Much appreciated Pleased

Peace and love.



 
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#7 Posted : 8/23/2014 6:01:17 PM
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Use of dmt has the "eroding the fear of death" effect on me, however i cant get past the fear that i have no children to pass on to. My death seems in many ways more then just death but more like the end of my existences. Thats my fear and never goes away.
I Am Not Someone Who Isn't Me!
 
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#8 Posted : 8/23/2014 6:19:06 PM

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IANS wrote:
Use of dmt has the "eroding the fear of death" effect on me, however i cant get past the fear that i have no children to pass on to. My death seems in many ways more then just death but more like the end of my existences. Thats my fear and never goes away.


Think about it this way, all the good opinions, and heart felt ideas you have told people will echo throughout this plain forever. "A good friend once told me" is always a great thing to hear because if that one individual heard your words and was able to relate to it, and remember it enough to the point of a great bettering life for themselves, did you truly die? No. Don't worry about things like this and just live your life friend, its a gift. If you choose to have kids its great! I have a god daughter that I love to pieces, I call her "my little turkey" lol. But even though shes not my kid directly, I can still teach and talk to her about good things, and she will pass that down to her kids or whoever has the time to hear her (my) ideas if she agreed with them in the first place. You yourself, never truly dies....

Namaste friend,
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#9 Posted : 8/23/2014 6:29:45 PM

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The shamans of the amazon say we have lost our connection to spirit. It is simple as this. As already said, we are much too identified and confined with our material world. For us to evolve past our way of living, as identifying with the egoic mind,and to transced our cultural boundaries... To recognize that we are one, and that death is as natural as birth. That will be the new earth...
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

 
IANS
#10 Posted : 8/23/2014 7:03:41 PM
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darklordsson wrote:
IANS wrote:
Use of dmt has the "eroding the fear of death" effect on me, however i cant get past the fear that i have no children to pass on to. My death seems in many ways more then just death but more like the end of my existences. Thats my fear and never goes away.


Think about it this way, all the good opinions, and heart felt ideas you have told people will echo throughout this plain forever. "A good friend once told me" is always a great thing to hear because if that one individual heard your words and was able to relate to it, and remember it enough to the point of a great bettering life for themselves, did you truly die? No. Don't worry about things like this and just live your life friend, its a gift. If you choose to have kids its great! I have a god daughter that I love to pieces, I call her "my little turkey" lol. But even though shes not my kid directly, I can still teach and talk to her about good things, and she will pass that down to her kids or whoever has the time to hear her (my) ideas if she agreed with them in the first place. You yourself, never truly dies....

Namaste friend,
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I feel your point and always have felt the same way, but still a issue that i have. I'm on my way to see my niece later to day, thats the best medicine when i think about this.
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darklordsson
#11 Posted : 8/24/2014 8:26:05 PM

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IANS wrote:
darklordsson wrote:
IANS wrote:
Use of dmt has the "eroding the fear of death" effect on me, however i cant get past the fear that i have no children to pass on to. My death seems in many ways more then just death but more like the end of my existences. Thats my fear and never goes away.


Think about it this way, all the good opinions, and heart felt ideas you have told people will echo throughout this plain forever. "A good friend once told me" is always a great thing to hear because if that one individual heard your words and was able to relate to it, and remember it enough to the point of a great bettering life for themselves, did you truly die? No. Don't worry about things like this and just live your life friend, its a gift. If you choose to have kids its great! I have a god daughter that I love to pieces, I call her "my little turkey" lol. But even though shes not my kid directly, I can still teach and talk to her about good things, and she will pass that down to her kids or whoever has the time to hear her (my) ideas if she agreed with them in the first place. You yourself, never truly dies....

Namaste friend,
---dls---Smile


I feel your point and always have felt the same way, but still a issue that i have. I'm on my way to see my niece later to day, thats the best medicine when i think about this.


Just go with what you know and being there for her is one of them. I also understand from your side as well, as not leaving a piece of you to continue. But your ideas and words of advice go soo much deeper than having a kid. I have a family friend of mine who was more of a father to me than my real father! His words were soo much more sincere than my fathers words ever were. Its not blood, its family that's family....
 
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#12 Posted : 10/14/2014 7:58:13 AM
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Totally agree with all of the above.

We are immortal consciousness passing through the mortal world,
momentarily for some reason???
 
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#13 Posted : 10/14/2014 10:39:16 AM

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Strangely, I've never really feared death. I just see it as part of a cycle, and whether I am annihilated or continue on is completely immaterial to me; it is what it is. Whilst I am here I will strive to do good, to help people, to bring about awareness of the bigger picture.

I haven't journeyed yet (working on that one!) so maybe my mind will change... or maybe I'm already 'there'. My only fear is leaving this place having not contributed something of worth; that aside, I am completely at peace with death.
 
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#14 Posted : 3/11/2016 8:38:54 AM

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@whatis; I enjoyed reading your OP, we share a beautiful experience.

Om-nipresent & full power!

Namaste, tseuq
Everything's sooo peyote-ful..
 
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#15 Posted : 3/12/2016 4:55:12 AM

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Changa teached me about death. Many times.... hard teacher sometimes...

You get born, so you die ; if you can accept and agree with the both side of the contract, you get access to the full potential of Life.

Fear of Death. A really good source of inspiration for all kind of religions of course. "Your soul is immortal, don't worry!". Haha, it's a nice sneaky way to avoid the real confrontation with death.
"Immortality" can makes sense, can be defended metaphysically but... what i see around me, in this new age young open mind culture... is just another simplistic trap, inherited from our deer religions. Immortality becomes a confortable position for our mind to keep our Ego safe. Because Immortality of my "soul" become immortalitiy of my Individuality. But i think if something survive to death, it most certainly returns to the source, to the collective.

What DMT shows me is first : The Mystery. Transcendental Complete Mystery. So humbling. If we don't really know about after-death, why not say "I don't know" ???

i went several times into a death-rebirth process; was sometimes really though, but the last time i became just extremly grateful for death. It's our only escape door, our escape from suffering, when our body no longer sustain us, we need this exit door. I thanked out loud death many times; cried of happiness for this final released.
Nothing to be afraid of, as once dead, nothing is anymore for ME.
Since this experience i didn't had much struggles anymore with Death Smile

 
 
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