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#1 Posted : 6/20/2014 8:14:31 PM

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Guignon gave the attendees a full report on the parlous state of the plant. “Over 90% of the iboga has disappeared from the country,” Guignon said, and what it left is unaffordable—the price of iboga has risen tenfold in less than decade. A bottle of 300 grams of medium quality root bark costs 100 euros (about $136), in a country where the 30% of the population that is employed has a minimum salary of 120 euros (about $163) per month.

There are also many factors endangering the supply of iboga: increasing land development and urbanization, the growing political and social power of evangelical Christians and climate change. As a result, “fake iboga” is now being marketed as iboga root bark and causing fatalities due to its cardiotoxic effects. And some Bwiti have started using alcohol instead of iboga in their ngenza (practice).



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Three dozen ibogaine providers, researchers and advocates gathered from May 7-10 in Durban, South Africa for the 4th International Ibogaine Provider’s Conference, sponsored by the Global Ibogaine Therapist Alliance (GITA).

The cover of the conference program guide and report features Esu, a deity in several religions with a multitude of responsibilities, including protecting travelers, roads (particularly crossroads), power over fortune and misfortune, and the personification of death. The illustration was highly apropos—52 years after the discovery of ibogaine’s interrupting effects on opioid use disorders by Howard Lotsof, the father of the modern ibogaine movement, ibogaine advocates and providers are at an existential crossroads, with serious concerns about sustainability, safety and efficacy.

The last GITA conference was held in October 2012 in the harm reduction heaven of Vancouver, Canada. For this conference, GITA wanted to get back to the medicine’s root—iboga, a rainforest shrub native to West Central Africa that is sacred to practitioners of the Bwiti religion. After years of ibogaine’s increasing popularity to treat Westerners with substance use disorders, iboga is under intense ecological pressure, and could be extinct in its native habitat of Gabon by late 2016, according to Yann Guignon, who wrote a report on the status of iboga for the Gabonese government in 2011-2012.

Guignon comes from an unusual background. He was born in France, but has been in Gabon since 2006, when he was initiated in the Dissumba branch of Bwiti. In 2007, France banned iboga after a death that had only an incidental connection to iboga.

Guignon gave the attendees a full report on the parlous state of the plant. “Over 90% of the iboga has disappeared from the country,” Guignon said, and what it left is unaffordable—the price of iboga has risen tenfold in less than decade. A bottle of 300 grams of medium quality root bark costs 100 euros (about $136), in a country where the 30% of the population that is employed has a minimum salary of 120 euros (about $163) per month.

There are also many factors endangering the supply of iboga: increasing land development and urbanization, the growing political and social power of evangelical Christians and climate change. As a result, “fake iboga” is now being marketed as iboga root bark and causing fatalities due to its cardiotoxic effects. And some Bwiti have started using alcohol instead of iboga in their ngenza (practice).

In response to these formidable threats to iboga’s future, GITA and Guignon are taking action. GITA has proposed undertaking a collaborative effort with the Ethnobotanical Stewardship Council to launch the Iboga Dialogues, a multi-stakeholder engagement process to develop fair trade and safety standards for global use of iboga and ibogaine. Meanwhile, Guignon and his associate Jean-Nicolas Dénarié have started a few plantations on private land, and are in discussions with the Gabonese government to develop a plantation in one of Gabon’s national parks, with the eventual goal of having a plantation in each of Gabon’s 13 national parks.

Concerns about safety have been part and parcel of ibogaine’s history as a drug detox. It’s not just potent psychologically (about 75% of people treated experience intense personal and transpersonal visions—not hallucinations, as often described in erroneous media reports). On a physiological level, it can produce bradycardia (a slow heartbeat) and/or arrhythmias (irregular heart rhythms). Last year alone, four of the 12 citations for ibogaine on the medical database PubMed were about deaths and toxicity. And rumors of deaths at clinics (as well as sexual assaults and thefts of intellectual property) have served to undermine the disorganized and reputationally disadvantaged ibogaine subculture.

However, some pioneering providers are attempting to improve ibogaine’s safety profile, not just by taking what should be common sense precautions (using medicine that has been tested for purity, extensive medical screening and monitoring of treatments by qualified medical professionals), but by using cumulative, low dose psycholytic protocols that include iboga root bark, TA (an extract that includes all twelve alkaloids found in the plant) and ibogaine hydrochloride.

According to Clare Wilkins, Director of Pangea Biomedics, this approach has several advantages over the standard practice of using a flood dose of ibogaine hydrochloride: it uses scarce iboga more efficiently, and allows for treatment of high-risk individuals who are normally excluded from ibogaine treatment. Most importantly, it allows clients to be conscious and gradually integrate the insights they glean about their substance use disorders into their awareness and daily practices.

Safety practices were also discussed by Kenneth Alper, MD, an associate professor of psychiatry at the NYU Langone Medical Center and Jeffrey Kamlet, M.D., FASAM, a Miami Beach-based specialist in addiction medicine, both during the conference and in a post-conference seminar devoted to provider discussion of treatment protocols and practices. Topics included patient electrolyte levels (the “number one problem in treatment” according to Kamlet), treatment of bradycardia and withdrawal from Suboxone, methadone and alcohol prior to treatment.

Although there’s been an enormous amount of anecdotal evidence for ibogaine’s efficacy, there has been a lot more popular media than medical articles about ibogaine (including a few stories after the death of actor Philip Seymour Hoffman and a major Al Jazeera piece that aired shortly after the conference). Consequently, most major drug policy reform organizations have remained silent on ibogaine. Even the Drug Policy Alliance, which honored Lotsof in 2009 just before his death with its Robert C. Randall Award for Achievement in the Field of Citizen Action, offers only a tepid endorsement of ibogaine research. (“Our take on ibogaine is that is shows interesting potential to assist some people in recovering from substance dependence. It should be more widely researched,” says DPA harm reduction manager Meghan Ralston.)

Despite ibogaine being an oneirogenic (a substance that produces dream states) rather than a psychedelic, MAPS (the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) has emerged as a major institutional supporter of ibogaine research. MAPS Founder and Executive Director Rick Doblin has spoken enthusiastically about his experience with ibogaine, and MAPS is currently collecting data for two observational studies of ibogaine’s long-term efficacy in treating opioid dependence at clinics in Mexico and New Zealand. The lead researchers for these studies presented the assembled iboganauts with the latest updates.
Thomas Kinsgley Brown, PhD of the University of California, San Diego, reported on the preliminary results of the Mexico study. Data entry for the study was completed in April. According to Dr. Brown, “In the first month, 11 of the [30] participants relapsed, another seven in the second month, one person in the third month, another four in months for through six, one person in the seven month and as many as five went all 12 months without relapsing.”

These numbers may not be too impressive—but as GITA’s Development Director Jonathan Dickinson has pointed out, most ibogaine providers are using the drug as a detox, not as an ingredient in a comprehensive treatment plan. Dr. Brown also emphasized that six of the 30 participants had some continuing care in the first few months after ibogaine treatment, and suggested that it might be valuable to compare the ASI (Addiction Severity Index) subscores and/or months to relapse of the participants who received continuing care and those who did not. Factors that Dr. Brown suggested might be determinative of successful ibogaine treatment are a patient’s drug use history, age, outlook and expectations of treatment, as well as the integration, type and suitability of fit of any continuing care they receive.

Although in an earlier stage of the study, the results in New Zealand tentatively appear to be promising, according to lead researcher Geoff Noller, PhD and Tanea Paterson, a substance use practitioner/ibogaine provider at Ibogaine Te Wai Pounamu (New Zealand’s only current ibogaine treatment provider). The study enrolled its 14th and final subject in April. Seven of the participants were tracked for all 12 months of follow-up (as well as one who was lost to contact at 11 months), and of the six participants still being monitored, three (50%) remain opioid free. Noller and Paterson hypothesized that the differences between the results of the Mexico and the New Zealand studies could be attributed to (among other factors) ibogaine’s status as a non-approved prescription medicine in New Zealand, which allows for an integrated system of care between physicians, pharmacists, ibogaine treatment providers and continuing care providers.

“In Durban we saw some important steps on a long road towards uniting the therapeutic and sacramental communities that use ibogaine and iboga. The important factor was outlining a sustainability dialogue that will affect both communities deeply, and I think beyond the practical function of planting trees this dialogue will have an evolutionary impact for everyone involved. What we have seen is that the situation we’re facing with iboga’s sustainability is grim, but that contained within it is a massive opportunity for cultural dialogue and healing. I believe that here we have been successful in initiating that,” said Dickinson.

A conference report is available here. Ibogaine has a long way to go to achieve mainstream acceptance, and potentially safer ibogaine metabolites and analogs, such as noribogaine and 18-MC, are being aggressively developed. But as this conference demonstrated, there is a passionate, committed group of providers and researchers who are working globally to advance the states of the art and science of ibogaine practice.


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#2 Posted : 6/20/2014 11:25:05 PM

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How sad! Goes to show how important it is to find sustainable sources! Its sad that some have replaced iboga for alchohol in ritual!?

How is this allowed to happen! Its driven by the need for money i assume, but sad that trumps their relationship to their plant!

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#3 Posted : 6/23/2014 7:28:31 AM

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To me this conference is missing the point, nothing makes sense to me, here is why:


WHO uses Iboga(aine)?

First and foremost treatment providers. We all know what is their price. I find this overpricing immoral and a rip off from those desperate to heal the addiction.

1.
Who are people in the conference?
Again the providers themselves, and what is their interest, to get out of the conference is unclear to me.

Iboga/ine, is hardly used for recreational means, and so very few use it for spiritual growth, which brings us back to the clinics. So they are center piece of the problem.

I know two clinics in Mexico, and nobody is growing the plants, even though it could be so easy, at least in Mexico you can buy land for this kind of cultivation for arround 2000 us$ 50m x 50m. So,I don't see what is the problem, except that they don't care for anything else than their pocket.

2.
The article says : 300g is 130 $, this is unaffordable, expansive????? One full flood in the clinic is at least 5000$. So for WHO is this price unaffordable?

3.
Dialogues in Gabon
What is a dialogue word means, just put some $, and grow it.

4.
Planting in national parks. Just think of this nonsense. National parks are full of tourists, mixed with security, and full of all kinds of criminal activities. How possibly would one commercially grow and harvest in a National park? Just put yourself in that position and visualise the process, I doubt you will get far...

5.
Why is Gabon in the text. As far as I know 3 years ago export from Gabon is illegal, technically it comes from Cameroon.

6.
Why we're not providers scolded on their overpricing and not planting in this conference? Well you know why, probably they are the sponsors, or at least the participants. But if some, providers are planting their Ibogas why they are not sharing it.

Check my post on reset.me to a provider who is self advertising himself on the forum, I asked him these questions, and no surprise to me, no answer.

Just to clear up possible confusion from what I wrote: by no means there is need for commercial production, but instead of blaming it on urbanisation, climate change... We should blame primary consumers - the clinics first, they have the $, and they are almost all in the tropics.

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I was hard on the clinics, but what about the plant, extract providers? Shouldn't they be on the "dialogue" table?
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#4 Posted : 6/23/2014 3:01:47 PM

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Jox wrote:

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The article says : 300g is 130 $, this is unaffordable, expansive????? One full flood in the clinic is at least 5000$. So for WHO is this price unaffordable?

You're kidding, right? How about the Bwiti? How about anyone not privileged enough to be able to shell out excess cash for iboga? Did you read the rest of the passage?

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A bottle of 300 grams of medium quality root bark costs 100 euros (about $136), in a country where the 30% of the population that is employed has a minimum salary of 120 euros (about $163) per month.


Also, you authored a piece on reset, hyping flood dose iboga as the ideal psychedelic for first timers, which is irresponsible from both a harm reduction and ecological angle, so I don't really understand your indignation here.

The problem is not just clinics, it is the entire commodified/poaching market. Anyone who purchases iboga from poached sources is complicit in the ecological destruction. Anyone who encourages iboga tourism or use is complicit. Until there are self-reliant growers, it would appear that there is essentially no way to use T. iboga that does not make you complicit in the current state of affairs.
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#5 Posted : 6/26/2014 6:05:10 AM

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Hi SnoozleBerry,

I found this article accidentally:

http://ibogaine.desk.nl/fernandez.html

Also on Bwiti in wiki says that the churches have Iboga plants on their land for consumption.

Bwiti is actually new religion mixed with Christianity, much like with Ayahuasca. Originally it was forest people who had the tradition or Pygmy people, who were historically discriminated by Bantu race, who are tall and hairless.

I also suspected that it must be some comercial production,,much more easier than going to the forest and looking for wild plants.

But this is not really the point I want to make, which is:

- when reading any information, especially unofficial one, is to ask ourselves many questions to see if it is correct, this is all I want to say.

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#6 Posted : 6/26/2014 2:13:57 PM

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We have heard numerous reports about the deforestation taking place as the result of iboga poaching from a variety of sources that have published articles on this situation. We have also heard from at least one Nexian who visited Gabon and saw/heard what was going on with his own eyes. We know the plant grows in very limited regions and that its use has exploded exponentially as people from industrial contexts have begun to make use of this plant. I'm not sure what you are cautioning us against. The evidence for the overharvesting of iboga seems to be quite legitimate. And honestly, even if it's not, I'd rather err on the side of being overcautious and making sure more sustainable sources are in place, in order to handle this growing demand.

I'm not really clear as to what you are trying to say about Bwiti. It seems to me as though you are trying to delegitimize their spiritual practice, as though pointing to its associations with Christianity (and its supposed 'newness'--although you acknowledge it stems out of older traditions) somehow negates its practice. UDV and Santo Daime both have Christian elements as well. So what? I don't see how this is relevant to anything. The point is that there is a group of people that have been using this plant in an ecologically-conscious manner for their spiritual practices. Increasing demand is threatening that practice as well as the ecosystem in which this plant thrives. That is all that matters, imo.

Finally, I'd appreciate it if you would acknowledge the dangers of the piece you authored and shared on reset. I have no understanding of why you wrote what you wrote, but I found it incredibly alarming. That piece, combined with some of what I see you trying to do in this thread makes me question your motives. Perhaps I am misunderstanding something in your writings and if that's the case, I would appreciate it if you would be willing to clarify that for me.
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#7 Posted : 6/27/2014 3:38:01 AM

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SnozzleBerry,

I just don't believe this story, it doesn't seem logical to me, for reasons I mentioned, and more but I see no need for further explanation of my points, this is all.

This is just my "opinion" . I think we disagree on this.

I do see your passion for the topic and I would have the same reaction.

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#8 Posted : 6/27/2014 4:00:40 AM

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I understand that you apparently disagree with a steadily growing body of evidence based on your own internal "logic" and don't wish to discuss this further. While I find that frustrating, I can accept it as your position.

What I cannot accept is the proselytizing of potentially dangerous statements, such as:

"IBOGAINE the best psychedelic for beginners"

and

"Full flood Ibogaine treatment is emotionally safest of all, and it is the best to be the first psychedelic plant to be taken."


I don't understand the views you hold regarding iboga and am troubled by the fact that they seem to fly in the face of much of what is accepted as common knowledge among those who have thoroughly researched and/or worked with this plant. I am most greatly troubled by the fact that you seem comfortable making potentially dangerous statements, especially to psychedelically naive audiences.

We don't have to continue this conversation, but I would ask that you take some time to reflect on your words.
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#9 Posted : 7/9/2014 11:34:58 PM

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I have one friend on the ground who says quite the opposite.

Can you give more insight? This is hardly a helpful statement, especially in light of those being made by ICEERS and other reputable NGOs.
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#10 Posted : 8/18/2014 1:05:05 PM

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Kambogauaacanga,

Thank you for all the unique info that only you can provide.

I will be living on land on the beach in South Mexico, wonder what are agricultural requirements for growing Iboga, should I have the soil tested, what should it be? Or what else should I know? Should we start a new thread?

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KIAS, the mandrill's eating iboga rootbark is very interesting. And I think the real situation of iboga is hard to tell from here, but gabon has one policy to keep it as a natural ressource inside. Now there are mainly farming for international market from cameroon it seems. But it doesn't look it's so rare. It is still a slow growing bush that take about 15 years to be fully mature for good alcaloids production ( and good proportions I suspect )so it is yet a very important point to stress sustainable farming (leaving the best wild rootbark to the local tribes and its human origin pre-bwiti : the pygme who themselves transmitted its medecine to other tribes around )and sustainable root harvesting also.
But for this we need a solid network of farm but it seems this already started.
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SnozzleBerry wrote:

There are also many factors endangering the supply of iboga: increasing land development and urbanization, the growing political and social power of evangelical Christians and climate change. As a result, “fake iboga” is now being marketed as iboga root bark and causing fatalities due to its cardiotoxic effects. And some Bwiti have started using alcohol instead of iboga in their ngenza (practice).[/size]


All of these are side effects of the real danger to iboga. The drug war.
If the drug war ended tomorrow people could freely grow and harvest all the iboga the world would need.

To me it's kinda like blaming the current pain epidemic on the opiate user... the logic typically goes, "Those stupid junkies are abusing pain meds, forcing the government to regulate them tighter, and now I'm in pain and can't get my medicine.. I hate junkies".. Well No. the problem isn't the junkie using the pain meds, it's the leaders trying to punish society for the actions of a few. I kinda feel the same way with regards to the current state of both iboga and peyote. When the drug war ends these plants will proliferate in a few short decades. IF we the people allow the drug war to continue then it is quite possible that these and many other plants will become extinct.

And Snozz, why do you say it's irresponsible to say this is a good first psychedelic? Isn't it the first psychedelic the Bwiti use? BTW I Have never used it so I can't comment to it's effects, but clearly there are some people that believe it is a useful first experience...
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