After a bit of a dry spell locally in terms of mushrooms, I got 9g the other night. I had usually been getting B+, but this 9g was about 2g Golden Teachers and 7g of Cambodians. These were very recently grown and dried. Over the last few weeks I've also had the privilege of partaking DMT a half-dozen or so times. I'm not sure how or if any of these details made a difference in my trip last night, but it was far beyond anything I've experienced before which is saying a fair bit since I have done 10g twice and 20g once before.

Around 3.30 in the afternoon I ground up the mushrooms in my coffee grinder (should probably just be called a mushroom grinder since it will never see coffee) and set them to soak in lemon juice. While they were soaking I loaded a good amount of DMT into my GVG because my intention was to smoke it after the peak of the mushrooms had started to fade. The pipe was still loaded this morning and you'll understand why shortly.

At 4.00 it was time. I added some orange Vitamin Water to the lemon/mushroom mixture and chugged it down. 10 minutes later they started to kick in. Another 5 minutes pass and the tryptamine tone is filling my head and my vision starts to fractalize. Usually at this point the effects come in abrupt waves to the point where I momentarily feel sober then it crashes down around me, taking my breath away and pinning me to the bed. There was no waves. The psilocin poured over me like a tidal wave and never let up. It didn't take very long until my vision was completely obliterated by neon fractals. My body disappeared, I couldn't hear anything; it was as if my consciousness fully retreated into itself. I lost all track of time and space.

By about 6.30 I was back in my body, able to sense the world around me, but still through a thick haze of geometric forms. This was when the cellular orgasms hit me again. This has happened with my previous high-dose trips and it is absolutely amazing. It's like every cell of my body is erupting with a non-sexual, orgasmic energy of pure pleasure. It goes beyond anything I ever felt on the best MDMA I ever had. Eventually, like all good things it did come to an end.

This is where the trip took a decidedly more extreme turn than anything I had experienced previously. I lost all grip on reality. I lost track of where I was, what I was doing, or even who I was. My mind reeled, grasping at any possible explanation for what was occurring. I questioned whether I was even real. Was my life factual? Were these so-called “memories” just implants like in Blade Runner? Was I simply a construct of someone's imagination? For at least an hour or two I lay curled up in the fetal position on my bed, utterly terrified at not being able to understand what was real anymore, but also having a small part of my mind able to comprehend that I was actually in a state of insanity. I constantly envisioned being checked into a mental hospital, unable to grasp even the remotest idea of who or what I was.

What ended up breaking me out of this insanity was remembering many years ago, a friend had said that they did DMT and actually experienced multiple lifetimes during the trip. I don't know if they were exaggerating or not, but when that thought popped into my head, I calmed down. I figured that if I was actually somewhere else, and all of this is just a DMT hallucination there isn't much I can do about it. I would just have to ride it out. After that the fear subsided and a marginal amount of sanity returned. For fairly obvious reasons, I decided to not touch the DMT. My mental state felt fragile enough that I didn't need to add blasting into hyperspace on top of it all.

I was still quite under the effects until well after midnight. In fact, when I got up this morning around 10.30 I could still feel the afterglow. It wasn't until about 1.00 that I finally felt 100% normal again. I can't really understand why this trip was so powerful compared to other trips where I have done substantially more. Either these particular mushrooms were insanely more potent than the others I've had recently. It's possible I guess this was the first time I've tried any from these batches. The other possibility that comes to mind is that maybe my explorations into DMT have opened my mind more to the psychedelic experience? I've always been rather refractory when it comes to psychedelics. Doses of acid or mushrooms that would floor my friends have a minimal effect on me. This was the first time I've done mushrooms since doing DMT so it's a big shot in the dark, but it just seems to feel right. I guess I'll find out when I take my next trip.

Hi minimal,

If you are able to do 10 or 20g of dried shrooms and don't have profound experiences such as this one you described, you either have an insanely high tollerance to mushrooms or they are terribly weak. 9g of Mushrooms is a very very high dose, one I would never recommend to anyone, unless they have shown to have a very high tollerance. I'm guessing the mushrooms you had previously were not very potent due to long storange time, exposure to sunlight and heat, bad drying technique etc.

Usually with regular cubensis anything from 3g upward can lead to a strong experience. Of course every person is different, and if you are tripping often you might need more for the same effect due to tollerance. I've never heard of anyone before now doing more than 8g and I thought even that was insane... Personally I've never done more than 5g and that always was more than enough for me.

If you ever get your hands on cyanescense or the other smaller strains beware they are much more potent than cubensis so you need to take even less.

Hi minimal,

As Enoon said, all trips #5 are like this.

I will suggest that any time you go for level 5 let go of understanding, rationalising, thinking. You will do that, all you want, after the trip.

While in this magical world, that we inhibit for for short time, don't clutter it with reasoning, it is not a moment for that function.

Instead just observe, observe and observe no matter what is in front of you. The mind will try to plug in, and try to get control, or "understand", but let go... again and again.

When thing go too much, I say to myself: this is a plant working in me, I surrender myself to whatever needs to do, I have a faith in the plant, and overall it will be a healing journey.

It will be wise next time to be with a sitter, so you can surrender yourself with confidence...

Regarding your question, if DMT or pharma made us more sensitive?

I had similar experience in Oaxaca, for 4 hours me and my husband were glued to the earth in the mountains, he was in foetal position all the time. But we had the strongest mushrooms, we divided one family of 7, thank god we didn't eat one family each... I rarely hear stories so extreme, so I don't know what is the reason. So when I hear people say that mushrooms are enhanced colours, mind trips, I chuckle.

Have you noticed, in your daily life, some changes?

I combined changa with only 16g of wet mushrooms and was like beyond level five for two hours. The only thing I could possibly do was lean over and suck on my bong and go farther lol. I had this "insight" that I'm dead. But so was everyone else! Haha. It wasn't like a bad feeling tgoifh more like a greater understanding that were neither dead or alive and were just the way we have been since the beginning of time. The words that kept going through my head were "I'm literally dead" and I could audibly hear my thoughts so I figured I was yelling "IM DEAD IM LITERALLY DEAD" .... figured I'd wake up in the hospital having to explain yo my family what I was doing lol. I lived like 1000 years in that hour.

I actually found there was cross tolerance when I did DMT before LSD, so I doubt the DMT was the issue there at all.

The main issue was most definitely the 9g of mushrooms. That's a pretty insane dose by anyone's standards. The most I've ever done is 3.5g. Once, it went fine. I did it again while drunk in Amsterdam (not advised), and I sort of lost myself for a bit, but remember coming to after paying a red light lady to talk to me for a while.

He didn't smoke the DMT he said. And cross tolerance? Really? Every time ive smoked DMT on LSD or mushrooms its intensified the experience tenfold

He smoked prior to the trip. I'm just going on my own experience here, but the last LSD session I did, I did with a friend who went sans DMT. We both had a small dose the night before, I did some just after dropping the tabs (300ug), and then again when it was wearing off. My trip was 6 hours shorter than my friend's, and the cross tolerance from that trip ruined my next one. That said, the DMT hit I did on the lucy was pretty intense, but has actually put me off doing DMT for a little while.

Basically, I already know I need to space trips out, but this was confirmation.

Oh I felt that before. One time AS SOON as I finished the hit I heard a voice say YOU SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THAT!!!! And I instantly felt tgr most horrible feeling of despair in my life.

You should experience This video in which a shaman talks about 30g + psylocibin trips.


It doesn't take a high tolerance to be able to do high dose mushrooms - just courage. (Or stupidity, depending).

I think dmt and ayahusca has mad me more sensitive to mushrooms and the like. I seriously believe they have opened doorways or something to make me trip harder and deeper.

Yeah, it was pretty much that. I kept my eyes open for some weird reason, and this long chat I had with my mate about letting go on lucy came back to haunt me as I had the tables turned and felt myself unable to slide into DMT world without a fight. It was pleasant enough to look at (although the Batman painting on my wall got very scary, very quickly) and felt nice, but I fought it with everything I had to stop myself slipping into hyperspace. By the end of the rush, I was begging for everything to go back to acid world where I felt safe.

Jox: That is my biggest thing: being able to fully let go. It's not that I fight it, but it's like a small part of my mind always stays totally rational and logical.I have to work on quieting that part of my mind when tripping. As for my daily life, I have noticed major changes as have my family and friends since I've started doing higher doses. Not to say that I was angry or depressed before, but I'm definitely happier and calmer now. I'm taking a far greater interest in my mental and physical health as far as what I'm putting into my body.

Shanghigher: No, I hadn't smoked DMT directly before the mushrooms. I only smoked DMT for the first time a few weeks ago and have done it several times since. I mentioned it just because the mushroom trips before experiencing DMT were nowhere near as powerful as this trip. It may very well have been coincidence and the previous mushrooms were weak as Enoon mentioned, but it seemed worth mentioning in case anybody else had experienced the same opening of the mind to other psychedelics after taking DMT.

Adjhart: That's the video that got me interested in taking higher doses actually.

Infinite I: It seems to make sense that this is possible. It's been proven that the brain does throw away information that it doesn't expect. So maybe with some people that action is stronger than others and when encountering a somewhat milder psychedelic trip, the brain rejects some of it. DMT is so powerful that the brain has no choice but to process it all and therefore becomes used to the experience, allowing more information of subsequent trips to permeate consciousness.

Oh yeah, I remember Kilyndi from a conference I visited a while back. I'm not sure I agree with his philosophy on high doses though. I mean, yes I think it's interesting to push the envelope and when I go in, I do like to go in for an immersive experience. I just think that an immersive experience can be had at lower doses.

It's really not always the dose that makes the experience strong, I think there's a bit more at play in general. Metabolism, psychological readiness, body-weight, tollerance and cross-tollerance, possible MAO inhibition etc. all play a role, not to mention setting. Kilyndi is a big guy and possibly he is working with mushrooms a lot so there's probably a tollerance factor in play physiologically but also psychologically. Someone who's been entheogen-free for several years might need a much lower dose to get an immersive experience. Of course, who knows, it could also be the other way around, that the more you get use to the altered states the less you need to get yourself there. Or there may be no correlation and it's dependant on something else entirely.

Personally I think 20-30g of dried cubensis is an exaggerated amount and I doubt that there is much to be gained by taking this much as opposed to 5-10g, unless there is heavy tollerance involved. However, I've never tried that much, so I'm speculating. I simply don't know what comes after the obliteration of the self and the meeting with the divine consciousness. I never really asked myself if there was anything beyond that, it always seemed like the final stage to me.

In response to Enoon;
You certainly don't need more than a gram or so of mushies to have a totally immersive experience when you are depleted of serotonin. But for me how I form an argument to rationalize the idea of doing higher doses of mushrooms. In conjuction of what you are saying, There is another reason for exploring mushrooms besides ego-death and divine consciousness. This kind of experience can happen sober, in lucid dreams as well as on LSD or other drugs. So i don't think these effects neccesarily equate to the effects of mushrooms. So I think that in order to enjoy/explore the effects that mushrooms have to offer in full power that's where higher dose comes into play. I do not think that High dosess will necessarily equate to obliteration of self. To the contrary. It is pushing the limits to what the self can handle that Kilyndi philosiphizes (is that a word?). Not to say that there is no substance in ur arguments. I just personally think that there is a purpose for exploring higher doses. Besides ego-death.