Right.

Been reading a bit on this site and there's bits and piecees, but I'd like to get in one place what you guys think about the following RCs:

4-acetoxy-dipt
4-aco-dmt
5-meo-mipt
2ct2
2c-e
2c-c

For example, how do they compare to 2ci & b?

Out of your list SWIM has only tried 5-Meo-MIPT and 2cc.

The 2cc was extremely psychedelic. Everything was melty with a distinct purple outline. The visuals were very LSD like. The body high was comparable to taking MDMA w/ LSD. The come down seems a bit smoother and more gentle than LSD or MDMA though. Overall, it was pretty rad. Unfortunately SWIM has only done it in a 100% recreational environment, so he can't really comment on the spiritual side of things. He would love to try any of the 2c's alone with the intent to learn/heal/grow rather than taking it with a big group of friends. For SWIM 2cb resembles a true phenethylamine experience. It felt more like mescaline, and the visuals resembled that of mescaline too. 2cc made SWIM feel like he was candy flipping, and as I said the visuals were LSD like.

As for the 5-meo-mipt, SWIM found the experience pretty useless. SWIM only took 8mg orally. He just got a weird body high that sort of felt like he was on MDMA, but not really. SWIM felt funny and weird in a good way, but the experience was completely useless other than that.

4-acetoxy-dipt -- great body feeling, mixes well with other tryptamines esp 5-meo-mipt. Great for enhancing sex. 20mgs good body high, minor visuals. 50mgs+ things get very psycadelic

4-aco-dmt -- similar to mushrooms, but with a more crystaline almost DMT edge to it. Very nice material.

5-meo-mipt - This is a weird one. Low doses are almost devoid of psycadelic properties, but produce a very pleasant body buzz. Higher doses (15-25mgs) can become overwhelming visually and the body buzz is increased. A winner in my book. I always have a gram or two of this stuff lying around for good times.

2ct2 - I hated it. Very metalic at times. Edgy. Poweful visuals, but lacking in euphoria and insight.

2c-e - strong, deep, but not very user friendly. Don't overdo it with this one. 20mgs is where my wife and I draw the line with this one.

2c-c - no clue.

2c-I wonderful, visual, euphoric, empathetic, useful for therapy

4-aco-mipt - my abosulte favorite. Strong visuals, some erotic qualities, minor head f' good for a nice night with friends, lover(s), or just hanging out by yourself.

Nice one guys,

TheNTT; from what Acolon says it seems SWIY didn't take enough.

The research I'd done suggested that given the choice 2ct2 would be the one to abandon from the list. All I'd read about 2cc was that it's sedating but I reckon it's back on the list.

The others are set, that leaves 2c-e.

What do you mean by not user friendly Acolon? To be honest, it's rare I hear good things about 2c-e, but I like how powerful it sounds...

2c-I was great. 14 mg. Took almost 2 hours to come on.Nice open eye visuals, mild body effects. Almost no closed eye visuals. Very intricate woven fractal patterns. Came in waves too. Effect lasted 6-8 hours some mild hangover. Felt tense and a mild headache but over all a very enjoyable experience.

Some of these ARE NOT ON THE LIST BUT I THOUGHT I MAY INCLUDE THEM ANY WAY.

DPT. Very interesting compound. On lower doses mild visuals but definite mental philosophical stimulation. Whereas with DMT SWIM can not think about deep issues more just caught up in the moment and the visuals DPT allows some interesting thought. SWIM would like to do more research with this compound.

DET. 15 mg freebased Wonderful LSD like effects for 1-2 hours. Some what stimulating. No visuals except for rainbow outlining of edges with eyes open. Very euphoric mood, could easily read and communicate with others but definitely a powerful psychedelic. Very psychological and no open or closed eye visuals.


SWIM wishes she had access to some of the 2c- X research chemicals. Some of the 2c-Tx seem very fascinating. Many of SWIMS friends have tried 2C-E, 2C-B, 2C-T2 and have really enjoyed them. Some said 2C-E was very intense.

Has anyone tried DIPT? SWIM FOAF has access to some but SWIM is not sure about it. Would like to at least try it once. This compound is claimed to be almost entirely auditory for most people. Seems fascinating. It seems to be very unique in this effect and must have a unique pharmacological profile to explain its subjective effects. Only acts on receptors expressed in auditory regions of the CNS?

SWIM has tried 2ci, 2ce, and 2ct2

hes also done a combo of 2ci and 2ct2..and cant say he really recommends it..its a bit much..

anyway...SWIM didnt really get into 2ci very much..it just seemed like a feel good party type drug..which is ok..but SWIM was looking for something a bit more mental...2ct2 taught him about balance and other things..but the body load is a bit much sometimes and the time distortion is incredible..the beginning of the trip can feel like days..while the comedown...5 hours can pass in a flash...its quite remarkable to experience...but the visuals at higher doses(swim always eyed them...he was more comfortable with this method surprisingly) well the visuals at higher doses were pretty intense..especially closed eye..

2ce is pretty decent...but SWIM thinks he over did himself with this one...because he would take it almost every other day for quite sometime...SWIM started noticing that he couldnt spit out complete sentences..and became sorta dumb..other people remarked that the day after they felt extremely stupid...it took him quite some time to retrain himself to speak clearly without garbling up his words...snorting caused more of a speedy high..while taking it orally made it mush more introspective..

also SWIM experimented slightly with smoking dmt while on 2ce..and at lower doses(it didnt really matter how much 2ce he had taken..usually snorted because so little was needed..and the come up happens in about 5 minutes) of smoked dmt...the most wonderful euphoria SWIM has felt from 2ce or dmt was experienced...this was tested on a few other people...

they were able to snort ~8mg of 2ce..smoke just a little bit of spice...and enter this warm womb of lovely and then were able to fall asleep pretty much immediately...this one should be tried if you want an AWESOME body high..

and when SWIM tried a breakthrough dose of dmt while on 2ce..well it was very awesome..but also very strange..it wasnt exactly bad..but it wasnt exactly good..it was just kinda WAM..in a new dimension..with beings around and communication happening..but SWIM couldnt tell if they liked him bringing the 2ce energy to that space

SWIM has heard that the Shulgins do not like dmt at all..even ayahuasca..they say it feels like a massive train baring down on them..SWIM thinks this is because dmt and synthetic phens dont exactly mix...and the shulgins are very much into phens...

It's really not like 2c-I at all. It is less recreational and can become overly intense very easily. The body load is hard to deal with at times. I get a metalic taste in my mouth with this compound, and I believe it stresses the mind and body. Bad gas, pulling at the hair, rocking, all bad stuff. This doesn't happen for me with any other phen with the exception of 2c-T-2.

I personally don't buy or use this phen any more. I gave what I had away. If I want to enjoy phens I will either stick with my Achuma/Pedro, 2C-I, or 2C-T-7.

2c-c and 4-aco-mipt sound very interesting...
a pm would be nice!

god willing... i will be sampling some 4-ACO-DMT soon... i am very excited and hopeful as mushies have always been a favorite...

Cool! It's a lot cleaner physically than mushrooms (at least cubes). Mushrooms are not always visual for me, but 4-aco-dmt has always been a very visual compound for me to work with. I find it too close to ethanol extracted mushrooms to really enjoy it as its own unique chemical.

Anyone got an opinion on how 2cb compares to 2cc?

A combination worth exploring is acid and 2ci. Really sets the 2ci going! (Those that do K would also do well to add that into the mix as well. 2cb/K is also worthwhile).

How many of these substances can be extracted? any? I know the 2c's are out of the question.

Also, are you guys able to buy this stuff over the net??

I know many of the C's are available on the net. And Im pretty sure either the 5-meo-MIPT or 4-ACO-DMT (can't remember which) is too. The rest I don't know, but I'd be interested to find out if a kitchen chemist would be able to make any of these... but I'm not getting my hopes up.

they are not easy to make..and these chems should not be attempted to be made by the kitchen chemist...you need quite the list of supplies to even try this...not something worth doing..when you can buy them

what should my aim be for a good introductory dose to 2c-i
i have through experience with mescaline and mdma and can enjoy low doses of each
i am looking for threshold to moderate i was thinking 15mg by gel cap followed by toast

any thoughts?

15mg should be a good intro...if you happen to take aniracetam(nootropic) it will increase the effects of 2ci nicely...with 750mg aniracetam and ~8mg 2ci...it was much nicer than 15mg of 2ci by itself...

and i thought you were gonna take a month break....haha should have known better huh?

heh im 9 days sober (besides some weed and the work-related amphetamine routine)
was just wondering i dunno if i will end up holdin out for a month though... seems excessive

haha it does a bit..but 9 days is pretty damn good...SWIM cant remember the last time he went 9 days...