Hello again nexians. I hope the sun is shining brightly down upon you. Will you play a game of imagination with me?

Imagine, if you will, that the following has happened some time in the recent past.

1. You've made and drunk a 3x boil of slightly pulverized syrian rue, just to see if it affects you. The brew is foul; but only a little body buzz results. Almost like you've had had a few Dr Peppers after months of no-soda.

2. Some days later, you parachuted 3.5 grams of rue; after 30 mins you drank a 3x boil of 1.5 tablespoons of powdered acacia confusa. At 45 mins, you feel a growing nausea. Heart rate increases. No visuals, just moderate sickness.

3. Not to be denied the vacation claimed by travelers, you try again next week, consuming a parachute of 4g of rue and 2.25 table spoons of ACRB (3x boiled with a little lemon and added honey). Again, your heart speeds up and the nausea grows. Your body feels lethargic, fairly drunken ... slightly disconnected. The discomfort keeps you focused, video games become impossible to play. Sick, scared, but full of faith you close your eyes. Only the weak visuals of what its like to rub your eyes after closing them. No forms, no shapes, just wisps of trailing colour gone as quick as they are noticed. A few hours of tossing and turning, you've finally reached the threshold of nightly exhaustion winning over ill-feelings and sleep without special dreams.

4. Still not to be denied, you extract harmaline/harmine from the rue. You don't bother with multiple Manske washes. If the rue was tolerable before, why push for a cleaner product? You wonder if anyone has insight. And you've found a picture that looks like what you've extracted, too.


5. You plan on doing a the BLAB tek to check your remaining ACRB. If you can get acetate goo, you feel as if you can proceed with the rue extract and mix them both in some orange juice and swallow it down. You ponder, is the BLAB tek the way to go? You have D-Limo and vinegar, so it makes sense... and given your prior experiences how many grams of each would you think about consuming? Did the rue drive all the action in past experiences? Was it too much? Too little ACRB tea?

Now, if this was your story, how would you pack up and envision the rest?

I doubt the rue dose was the problem; 3.5 grams of rue should be plenty. Either you're not taking enough ACRB, or the quality of your bark is suspect. Also, tablespoons is an odd way to measure it; the amount of ACRB in grams would be more useful information.

Whether or not to perform an extraction is up to you, but I would guess you weren't taking enough ACRB in your tea to have any effects. You could possibly wait longer after taking the rue, or up the dosage of ACRB. The accepted amount of DMT in ACRB is around 1%, but the amount of DMT needed in an oral dose varies widely from person to person. Most recommend around 50 mg, with some saying 40 mg is plenty and some saying that they need to take 200+ mg for results. So 40 mg dmt would presumably be 4 grams of ACRB.

I don't really have any experience in ACRB extractions, but I imagine that the BLAB would work, as long as you perform multiple defats.

Also, the problem with not having a clean product from your harmala extraction is that it is far more difficult to measure a proper dose. I would either stick with plain old rue seeds, or take the time to make sure your extracted harmalas are relatively pure, so you know how much you're taking. Large doses of harmalas can be uncomfortable and/or downright dangerous.

Thanks for the thoughts, I think you are spot on. I've learned a lot in the last few months of lurking.

Let me be sure I understand what defatting is.
In some teks they basically get the macerated plant, acidify it and put in a solvent. Gently mixing and waiting, the solvent now has fats in it so you pull it and throw it away. After a few defats, then basifcation and further extraction right?

That said, removing oil seems to be a larger consideration for smoking, right? If its for oral consumption, is oily ACRB goo a problem because of dosing as mentioned before?

I'm with sarek. You seem to be using too little ACRB, though it is hard to tell because measurements in tablespoons doesn't really tell us much of anything. If you're looking to extract I would recommend Q21Q21. The only thing you'd need to get would be calcium hydroxide which you can get in the form of hydrated lime or it can also be found in its pure form to basify the PH of fish tanks.

You'd take your macerated plant, acidify it, then basify with the calcium hydroxide, then add solvent, then filter out solvent, freeze or evap, then scrape up the goodies.

The more I learn about ACRB, the more I see the opinions that defats are not needed. There doesn't seem to be anything past a negligible amount of unwanted fats in ACRB when compared to something like MHRB.

I've just ordered some ACRB and I plan to do a Thicklight's tek and Cyb's Salt Tek - 50g each, and I'll post my results. On the Thicklight tek, I'll probably skip the defat for experimentation in this regard.

Adjhart,

I don't know where you read that, but it's pretty widely accepted that ACRB has a much higher fat content than MHRB; maybe you're confusing the two?

I have 200g ACRB coming.

I'll probably split it up into 4 different 50g teks. The point of this will be to customize my own extraction method once and for all. I've never used ACRB before though, so this defatting issue will be something I look into.

I'm going to do the q21q21 tek - will the resulting jimjam be okay to just drink?

What do you guys think of me (170lbs) taking 3.5 g syrian rue and 45 mg dmt goo 20 mins later, possibly backing it up with an booster of 1 g syrian rue and 10 mg extra dmt if needed (at 40-50 mins in)?