I can finally say I understand the changa lovers on this forum as last night a batch of mine got done drying. Last night I tried doing pharmahuasca for the first time and drank the harmalas and dmt together. Unfortunately I puked it allll up in about 25 minutes. It just all came out so fast and I wasted the DMT :/ so I decided to take a few hits of changa to get me where I wanted to be, and boy did it get me there. I took two hits from my bong and felt the effects start almost instantly, except it was much much slower. I saw a seated stone entity in the center of my vision and he fractaled out and took up everything around me. Then the kaleidoscope visions started. This arrival to hyperspace was so much nicer than most. I felt like I was a lot more calm and sort of grounded, allthough I wasn't very grounded at all at the same time. The next thing I know I'm in the cathedral/dome room and its shining with etherixal golden light and it was like I entered a surprise party of beings! Instead of the usual couple beings, I broke into a room with AT LEAST 50 of these things. They were flying around me and having the most crazy conversations. They sounded something like, (pardon this) "beepity beep hoop bop heep LA shla hop be peep blee blip" ..... a very squeaky almost code language. It was kind of funny and cute at the same time with FB DMT I feel like as the experience climaxes, it ends..... with changa, instead of all ending all at once, it took me to the deeper meaning of everything in my life. I was opening my mouth and clenching by body and trying to figure out how to get all of this love I'm being given out into the world. The comedown was extremely psychedelic and I felt like I was tripping for almost an hour including the beautiful afterglow. It was showing me scenes from dreams I had forgotten that had a profound impact on me, and invoked emotions I haven't felt in years. Oh by the way my blend was .4g DMT .5g harmalas all infused onto a .5g mixture of mullein, lemon vernanda, mugwort and chamomile. This will definitely be my number one method for smoking now and I have to thank Olympus Mon and all the other changa gurus on here!

I really can relate to this part!

Thanks for the report

It was almost uncomfortable because I wasn't sure what I could do to get it out. It was like an emotional purge haha. Speaking of purges, I haven't reqd many reports about people vomiting so quickly with pharma. I used 200mg harmalas walks.... should I dose lower next time so I can hold it down?. Leading up to this amazing vomiting experience (it was truly liberating) I was feeling very very intoxicated and I was pinned to my bed. However, as soon as I puked, the experience went away waste of 125mg of DMT

So can I/we. Everytime we break through our mouths are wide open like a bizarre mask. Like a feeling that we are experiencing the most amazing, unbelievable thing in the world. Truth be told, we are!

Very nice report and glad that you've had such an experience Tyler!

First I would like to take a moment to welcome you to the club!

Second, next time only use ~70mg of DMT any more is unnecessary. I've had a breakthrough at ~50mg.

Also, you should try to wait about 20-30 minutes after consuming the harmalas to eat the DMT.

I made the mistake of putting down the MHRB five min after the cappii, didnt last too long. It came up in about 25-30 min but a huge relief feeling was felt, and nothing too visual, next time i'll wait

CHANGA

Amazing. I have a gram of 1:1 changa that I've been too afraid to smoke so far. This thread has inspired me.

Yes! Changa disciples unite!

In my experience, when consuming extracted harmalas and extracted DMT, it is best to consume them together. Waiting 30 minutes between the harmala and DMT considerably lessened the effect of the DMT compared to simultaneous consumption.

With non-extracted, non-purified forms of harmala and DMT it may be different, but with purified extracts, I believe you are wasting some of the DMT if ingesting it without protection from simultaneously ingested harmalas.

Although that may be possible, won't the body start metabolizing the DMT to some extent if you are not MAOI'd first?

It is in fact my experience. Where did you get your idea?


I hypothesize that when the DMT gets near MAO enzymes in the gut, so do the harmalas, protecting the DMT. The harmala salts are very water soluble and their concentration in the gut may have gotten too low after 30 minutes to optimally protect the DMT.

I've always had this experience with pharma. I can handle harmalas just fine on their own without purging but as soon as the DMT starts taking effect, it gets really intense and then I purge without fail.

One time I puked up hundreds of tiny galaxies that were spinning super fast all around me. Soon after I finished purging, I was back to baseline.

My favorite way to avoid wasting spice is what you've stumbled on here. Take your preferred MAOI and then smoke some changa on top of that. It gives you the best of all worlds, in that, you get the extended session, you can dial in exactly where you want to be and nothing gets wasted.

Safe Travels

I find I don't remember a thing on changa... HOWEVER... after 3 blasts and coming back to reality, I get a very strange feeling. It's like all my senses (sight, hearing, touch etc) are being used for the first time and "reconnecting" back with my brain. I find myself taking BIG breaths feeling overwhelmed with the experience..

Had the same experience with you drinking Rue/Confusa tea. I couldn't keep any of it down. I'm going to try capping them next time and drinking it with Lemon-Balm tea which many have attested to