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#1 Posted : 6/9/2014 12:36:34 PM

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This was an...interestingly frank discussion of psychedelic drugs from Salon.com. I thought it was worth sharing. By and large I agree with it: I think that psychedelics don't have the potential to facilitate truly lasting growth unless you use them in some kind of greater, mindful context. That said, I also sort of feel like this article didn't quite do the depth and power of the psychedelic experience adequate justice.

http://www.salon.com/201...theyre_cracked_up_to_be/

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The cactus skin arrived in the mail in a packet marked “for botanical examination only.” We whizzed it up in a blender. Two truant teenagers in an empty kitchen. We tried mixing the resulting green powder with water and drinking it. The taste was so foul it was all we could do to stop ourselves vomiting. In the end we mixed it with Cherry Coke to ameliorate the flavor and then we drank it all up.

The skin contained a naturally occurring psychedelic drug called mescaline. Soon, everything seemed to vibrate. It was as if the walls, windows, even the chairs were humming a low, beautiful melody. Then I noticed that we were speaking in colors. My friend’s words were blue swirls and mine were green. Our conversation curled and twisted in front of my eyes like smoke in a vacuum chamber. Later I held a glass of water, gazing at it for what seemed like an immensely long time, its utility swallowed up in its beauty and it seemed that the whole Earth existed within that glass and the thought occurred to me: “I’m in the presence of God.”

Ten years later I was staying in a tiny monastery deep in a Thai forest. I had been living and meditating there for close to a month. My mind was still — still in the way a tuning fork rests after being struck for a long time. I sat outside watching the fading light graze the trees, feeling egoless and empty of thought. Butterflies erupted from the green foliage in a movement that seemed so excessively beautiful I was thunderstruck and as I looked, I thought: “Damn, this is exactly like mescaline.”

It’s not just me who has made the link between psychedelic drugs and meditation. Indeed, the link between psychedelics and spiritual experience was the first line of inquiry Timothy Leary and his cohorts pursued in their 1960s Harvard experiments. In the 1990s, Dr. Rick Strassman ran a series of experiments using a powerful psychedelic known as DMT, and he too noticed the similarity: “[The effect of] DMT has a similarity with experiences that are possible with a lot of meditation,” he said.

Scientists are currently conducting separate studies on psychedelics and meditation — both are being trialed to treat the same conditions. A review study by the Journal of the American Medical Association, released in March this year, found that meditation may be as effective as medication in treating conditions such as depression and anxiety. Hot on the heels of this study was the Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study at NYU’s Bluestone Center for Clinical Research, which found that Psilocybin (the active drug in “magic mushrooms”) was effective in treating anxiety and depression in terminal cancer patients. There are now dozens of studies that document how both meditation and psychedelics can treat depression, addiction, anxiety and PTSD.

So if psychedelics produce similar effects to long periods of meditation and other austere religious practices, could we have stumbled upon what Strassman calls “the spirit molecule”? Are psychedelics an alternative to spiritual practices?

Hardly, say the Buddhists. The second noble truth of the Buddha is that “the origin of suffering is the attachment to desire.” Psychedelics are by their nature an experience, a strange and beautiful one but often elusive. This creates a craving to have the experience again. It is this craving that is the Buddhist definition of discontent. Rather than freeing the mind from attachment, psychedelics create more.

Perhaps the gold standard to measure whether psychedelics are a good substitute for meditation is to see whether fundamental changes in character occur. A meditation instructor once told me: “When I took LSD in the ’60s, it was profound, but it didn’t help me develop the character to live from that truth day by day – without grounding in morality and mindfulness it was merely a flash of insight.”

Richard Alpert, who was one of the first psychologists to study LSD, and later became the spiritual teacher Ram Dass, has a similar view, “I see them [psychedelics] as a door opener and a catalyst and a facilitator; I don’t see them as a full path.” Alpert also describes what his Indian guru told him after trying LSD himself: “Your drug is useful. It would allow you to come in and have the darshan [vision] of Christ, but you can only stay for two hours and then you’ve got to leave. It would be better to become Christ than visit him, but your medicine won’t do that, because it’s not the true samadhi [enlightenment].”

But psychedelics are a catalyst for change, according to writer Graham Hancock. According to Hancock, the means you use to gain insight (whether they are psychedelics or meditation) are the least important aspect; “what matters is what you do with visionary experiences once you have had them, how you integrate them into your life, what lessons you learn from them and how you act on those lessons.” Indeed, according to follow-up studies from the scientific literature, the effect of the psychedelic experience does seem to sustain a positive change without the need to repeat it. Researchers at New York University reported in the Archives of General Psychiatry that their subjects reported a significant improvement in mood and outlook after six months.

This may be true of those individuals who have taken medical-grade psychedelics in a clinical setting, but what of the thousands of people who are doing so haphazardly, procuring them from the black market? Personally, I had a hard time integrating my visionary experiences with my real life. I was sometimes confused and frightened by what I saw. It was a relief then to find the well-trodden Buddhist path. Indeed, most mystical traditions have detailed maps covering the kind of mental and metaphysical spaces you pass through on the way to God. Buddhism has the “Jhanas,” yoga has stages of “Samhadi” and Sufism has “four stages”. These maps allow a teacher to help you process what comes up in your spiritual practice. Strict morality is always a prerequisite to walk such paths or they won’t teach you. These kind of healthy boundaries are what is lacking when you take psychedelics.

But supposing you don’t have the time to pursue rigorous meditation? Why spend years and (some would say) lifetimes rotting our butts on the meditation cushion when we can take the red pill and get it all at once?

I heard Zen priest Kokyo Henkel describe it this way: Imagine spiritual development is a mountain. Psychedelics will take you on a helicopter ride to the top, you will see tumbling clouds and vast craggy distances but when the ride is over you are back where you started. Meditation is a way to climb the mountain, slowly, sometimes painfully, but when you reach the summit it is completely different from the summit-top you saw on your helicopter ride, because the journey has transformed you.

Perhaps this is idealistic, and I certainly wouldn’t deny anyone the use of psychedelics for medical reasons or for spiritual advancement, if done so with wisdom and respect. Indeed, given the dire state of the biosphere and the ecological crisis, perhaps the human race is out of time to meditate ourselves into the enlightened consciousness needed to instigate change. Given that psychedelics tend to assure people of the fact that we are part of nature and connected to every person, plant and animal on Earth, perhaps we should be using them to create happier, more responsible citizens now.

Meditation and yoga have a long history of creating such people, and both have the advantage of being legal and safe as any intense religious activity can be. The immediacy of the psychedelic experience and its profound effects make these substances deserving of interest and study but we can’t yet say they are a viable alternative to the tried and tested spiritual paths.

When I look back on that mescaline-laced afternoon when I was a teenager, I remember a life-altering experience, something the mystics would call an “awakening.” But it was meditation that allowed me to begin to awaken permanently. Alan Watts summed it up when he said:

“The psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone.”


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#2 Posted : 6/9/2014 2:37:06 PM

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Hardly, say the Buddhists. The second noble truth of the Buddha is that “the origin of suffering is the attachment to desire.” Psychedelics are by their nature an experience, a strange and beautiful one but often elusive. This creates a craving to have the experience again. It is this craving that is the Buddhist definition of discontent. Rather than freeing the mind from attachment, psychedelics create more.

So...psychedelics are an experience, but meditation is not? Interesting.

The statement regarding craving strikes me as similarly tenuous.

I think (and I could be wrong) that many experienced meditators would not claim meditation/mystical experiences to be the "whole truth" and if they did, I would probably be quite skeptical.

I think many of us can agree that psychedelics are catalysts...but then again, isn't meditation as well? Imo, meditation is not an end in and of itself, but a means to a way of being.

I don't know, personally I don't find this sort of dichotomizing useful. People find various tools and use the ones they find to be the most personally beneficial, if that's what they're looking for. Making overarching statements about what something is or is not, for the entirety of humanity, gets into dicey territory.
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#3 Posted : 6/9/2014 3:08:26 PM

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I also wonder whether that meditation instructor would have gone down that path had they not experienced LSD in the '60's. Call it a hunch, but I bet it played a role. It goes without saying how much it transformed Richard Alpert's life even if the insights were fleeting. Even if psychedelics do nothing more but act as catalysts or enablers, this still gives them tremendous power to change lives and should not be overlooked. I also personally credit psychedelics in making me less materialistic, so overall I desire (and thus suffer) less in a Buddhist sense in my life having experienced them. Psychedelics also allow one to experience realms far beyond the reach of meditation alone. And then they can also be combined to good effect (which the future planned psilocybin and mindfulness study will look at). So both have their place. As Mr Snozz says, I'm not sure making the dichotomy is that useful.
 
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#4 Posted : 6/9/2014 6:10:13 PM

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I think both of you make excellent points.

The thing I found most exciting about this article, however, was not the analysis, but rather, the tone with which they spoke about psychedelics. It was incredibly blase, and the author actually went so far as to say that anyone should be able to use psychedelics for personal development. The question of the article was not "are psychedelics safe/should they be used at all," but rather, "lets talk about them and assume that people use them and get meaningful experiences out of them."

To me, this is a sign of a huge shift in perspective.

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#5 Posted : 6/9/2014 9:12:52 PM

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Hardly, say the Buddhists. The second noble truth of the Buddha is that “the origin of suffering is the attachment to desire.” Psychedelics are by their nature an experience, a strange and beautiful one but often elusive. This creates a craving to have the experience again. It is this craving that is the Buddhist definition of discontent. Rather than freeing the mind from attachment, psychedelics create more.

So...psychedelics are an experience, but meditation is not? Interesting.

The statement regarding craving strikes me as similarly tenuous.

I think (and I could be wrong) that many experienced meditators would not claim meditation/mystical experiences to be the "whole truth" and if they did, I would probably be quite skeptical.

I think many of us can agree that psychedelics are catalysts...but then again, isn't meditation as well? Imo, meditation is not an end in and of itself, but a means to a way of being.

I don't know, personally I don't find this sort of dichotomizing useful. People find various tools and use the ones they find to be the most personally beneficial, if that's what they're looking for. Making overarching statements about what something is or is not, for the entirety of humanity, gets into dicey territory.


We're on the same page. I've been mulling this article over in my head throughout the day, and I've come to the similar conclusions. Let's take enlightenment for example, what guarantee or evidence is there that one would not become attached to such a state? You often hear the talk of how it must be so "great" cause it's an allegedly permanent state, but isn't the longing for such permanence an attachment? What about attachment to a faith for that matter. If one has no genuine attachment to Buddhism, then an enlightened master should be able to ditch it in a flash to pursue other points of view. If there is a resistance to this kind of thinking, it should seem to be attachment to concepts, and the feelings that Buddhism may bring about that would cause such hesitation. Not to say that the hesitation wouldn't be a reasonable reaction, but I would just like to see a little consistency here. I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to write a well-reasoned article entitled "Is Buddhism All it's Cracked up to Be?" and make similar, modified arguments.
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If there is only one truth all paths lead to the same place (where you already are right now). Again, everything in this existence is transient - subject to change. If and when one transcends this existence, it would seem that one ceases to exist as a separate ego while the body continues to exist for the remainder of its physical existence. Of course, this is only speculation as I have never been privileged (as some here have been) to have a glimpse of the ineffable.
 
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Is it really attachment if the outcome of losing it does not effect you? I have thought about all this quite a bit and I am slightly confused on some things.

In a general context attachment happens no matter what. If you were completely detached why wouldn't you then stop breathing and eating and drinking. Plain just stop being alive. Can you ever become completely detached and still live?

We eat because we have to and if you aren't attached to being alive why would you eat? Maybe my analogy is stupid or maybe I'm not explaining it correctly. I think there are more details to the idea of attachment and different ways in which you can experience anything without having attachment to it.
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I say they are, but require proper set & setting to really have long term psychological beneficial effects.
And they cannot solve your problems al by themselves, but with the right ritual, enviroment and mental preparation Psychedelics can defenitely be all they're cracked up to be.

It took me quite a while to find the proper way of using psychedelics to achieve optimal healing effects, but
I have really found it now. From curious, but recreational use I have gradually found my way to ritual, therapeutic use.

I now only take psychedelics in nature or at home with Ravi Shankar playing, incense burning, candles and after meditating & smoking Cannabis to become calm, clear & receptive before ingesting the psychedelic. This has become
my standard ritual whe smoalking DMT. Allows for much deeper journeys, much more visually immersive & psycholigically insightfull, much more memories to be stored and to breakthrough & travel longer on even the lowest dose of DMT.

I guess this ritual works for enhancing/optimising other psychedelic experiences as well, but it was made for and works especially well with DMT.

Before that I used to just throw down a bunch of matrasses and smoalk DMT with spiritually poisonous people. Careless, never took any preparations. I had lots of gloomy and amnesiac experiences back then. Not much of what I learned then stuck with me. Since I have changed my way of smoalking, making a ritual out of it, I have had MUCH more meaningfull DMT experiences and what has been seen/learned is clearer and sticks with me much longer.


I just can't stress enough how much Set & Setting influences how valuable, meaningfull & therapeutic
your Psychedelic experiences will be. People tend to hugely underestimate the importance of Set & Setting. :/
 
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many people fear the reality of psychedelics, and make up all kinds of new age excuses for why they follow what they see as a better path like meditation. Well, that's just my observation.

The question of psychedelics being an alternative to spiritual practice is silly. How can a spiritual practice be an alternative to spiritual practice? Duh.

Silly humans. Picking a mushroom up and eating it is more primal than sitting cross legged chanting mantras. Which came first?
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I also did not like the analogy where meditation is the climb up a mountain and psychedelics are a helicopter ride to the top. That section made incorrect assumptions about the spiritual practice of psychedelics.

If It is a ride to the top it's more like an f16 jet that you have to pilot with only half an arm with your eyes closed. Hurry take a picture when you fly over the peak.

When your back on your feet again the climb up the mountain continues. IMO
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I think the comparisons are just generally stupid, and those who have to make them to make their point never got it in the first place.

This is such an old discussion, and frankly it's BORING!.

It's like a bunch of people rocking a car back in forth that's stuck in a rut, trying to get out. Who cares what side your on. If your out, your out.
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Yeah I consider myself lucky to have run through the wash of philosophical ideas prior to going deep into psychedelic experience.

Also I've through the spin cycle of what psychedelics are cracked up to be too and frankly when i pulled myself out of the drier after all this I found myself to be a warm smell-gooding pile of clean soft sheets.

And then proceeded to soak myself once again in the essential oils and metabolites and the general juicy obscenity of nature.

And still Do I have a big wish washy washing machine and drier available to me?

As long as the sun shines and the rivers flow I should think so
 
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Psychedelics are a genuine mystery... it looks like Martin Luther King and Einstein had used Ayahuasca as a Meditation Aid...

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