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Hello fellow Nexusians!
my friend told me that somewhere in Russia some people cook sea-buckthorns roots and get a really strong psychoactive mixture from it...
do you know anything about this?
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I've read nothing of the sort and the chemistry of the family they are in suggests it might be true.
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I have never heard of this but I dont understand why it would not be possible...lots of plants are active that we dont know about. I would be greatly interested in what alks are present in the buckthorns and what effects it has. If anyone has a way to test these plants or try them for yourself, starting low and slowly upping dosage, someone should do so in the name of science and exploration  Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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Shamans from Altai (Russia) use it. As I know it's root contains DMT have to try! 
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wall-iko wrote:Shamans from Altai (Russia) use it. As I know it's root contains DMT have to try! First I have heard of this, could be true... any evidence for it?
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AlbertKLloyd wrote:wall-iko wrote:Shamans from Altai (Russia) use it. As I know it's root contains DMT have to try! First I have heard of this, could be true... any evidence for it? we have to try or ask them http://lentaregion.ru/wp...loads/2012/07/Shaman.jpg
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I looked up sea buckthorns and they are used mostly for medical and cosmetic purposes. I could not find anything saying that it contains DMT or other active tryptamines. Maybe the OP can ask his friend where the info came from so we can have a look at it? Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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Gone-and-Back wrote:I looked up sea buckthorns and they are used mostly for medical and cosmetic purposes. I could not find anything saying that it contains DMT or other active tryptamines. Maybe the OP can ask his friend where the info came from so we can have a look at it? well sea buckthorns are really hummy too I didn't know about this info. that's why i asked here  but if it's a Mr.Y than I'll try to extract. may be I'll find something interesting
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^ Please do, and be sure to report back with your findings. Maybe we have another plant that we all can start using for extractions now. Also good to find new ones that are not watched Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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Gone-and-Back wrote:^ Please do, and be sure to report back with your findings. Maybe we have another plant that we all can start using for extractions now. Also good to find new ones that are not watched Firs I have to find Sea Buckthorn Root "SBR" 
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Is it said to only be contained inside the root of the plant? Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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Gone-and-Back wrote:Is it said to only be contained inside the root of the plant? I wrote all I knew... 
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Hippophae Rhamnoides contains Harman, Harmol, and Harmalol.
Have a few plants on my land that i will be testing in brews.
First, by itself in a tea. Testing stems, leaves, twigs, and roots.
If no effects are felt, an maoi will be taken with it to validate any dmt inside. Around this time a thin layer chromatography will be undertaken to validate any optically active alkaloid presence.
These plants have a long history of medicinal usage with their berries and bark so there's most likely no danger, just don't cut down a bush and eat it all.
I have heard Elaeagnus Commutata is psychoactive so there is a great deal of information to be located within the Elaeagnaceae.
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The literature shows highest alkaloid concentration is in the roots, intermediate in stems, and lowest (or absent) in leaves. The roots only contained 0.03% alkaloids, but that was only one analysis - actual results may vary! Serotonin has also been reported from roots, btw.
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Well I live near a particularly large area of it so if anybody needs any for analysis .. I just collect the berries every winter and freeze them, make them into syrup, wine etc .. absolutely amazingly sour fruity stuff, be interesting to know of it as psychoactive ..
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Oh and (for other things too) if anybody needs scientific papers looking up pm me with author/date etc and I'll see what I can do ..
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Here's a paper on beta carboline content in Elaeagnaceae Hippophae is much higher than Elaeagnus spp.
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After pruning my sea buckthorn (Hippophae) recently, I decided to examine a twig under UV light. The bright spots of yellow-green harmaline-like fluorescence were confined to small spots sparsely distributed along the surface of the twig bark and not apparently linked to any macroscopic features. If anything they seemed to be confined to gland-like structures. (Unfortunately, I'm unable to photograph this for upload at present.) I hope somebody finds this observation useful! “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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Cross-posted in the russian olive thread, https://www.dmt-nexus.me...mp;m=1227731#post1227731downwardsfromzero wrote:We don't hear much about sea buckthorn, but while people seem to use the trunk bark (at least in the case of Elaeagnus spp.), having recently obtained some offcuts of Hippophae rhamnoides, I decided to examine a piece under UV light. The inside of the trunks/stems has a darker core under visible light which has lightened considerable after a couple of weeks of drying, and it's this area which glows under UV (pics attached). I've only ever seen small specks of harmala-like fluorescence with sea buckthorn bark, so I'm going to have to do a side-by side comparison of bark and heartwood extractions. Both quantitative and qualitative analysis now seem to be within my reach, now that my chromatography setup is poised for action I'll try and get some pics of the bark fluorescence to fill in the gap from my previous post, maybe with a bit of microscopy for a closer look. [EDIT: Attached, with further pics for comparison. On closer inspection, there's significantly more bark fluorescence than I previously noticed. It still only resembles a tiny concentration of β-carbolines to my experienced eye, however.] downwardsfromzero attached the following image(s):  20231205_013641.jpg (2,585kb) downloaded 52 time(s). 20231205_013413.jpg (2,129kb) downloaded 52 time(s). 20231205_013116.jpg (2,132kb) downloaded 52 time(s). 20231205_011038.jpg (3,804kb) downloaded 52 time(s). “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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Seems the content can be quite variable within the plant. Sometimes the bast and the wood can have a fair content of something fluorescent. Extraction and chromatography to follow, funky pics attached. downwardsfromzero attached the following image(s): 20240127_010644.jpg (1,807kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_012514.jpg (3,582kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_012540.jpg (3,532kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_012930.jpg (3,600kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_012221.jpg (2,344kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_011752.jpg (2,296kb) downloaded 37 time(s). 20240127_011508.jpg (3,169kb) downloaded 38 time(s). 20240127_015823.jpg (2,809kb) downloaded 34 time(s). “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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