Exactly. Ive trained several of the dogs ive owned. First and foremost - dogs are pack animals. Not that they 'have' to be in a pack, but they look to a 'leader' to bring them into focus/task at hand. Dogs dont live in the past or present, they live in the 'now'.

Aggressive dogs/problem dogs typically have pent-up/misdirected/mis-channeled energy DUE TO THE OWNERS (PACK LEADER/S) not responding to the needs of the dog breed itself. For instance, pit bull/terrier breeds are highly notorious for being a HIGHLY energetic breed. They're BULL TERRIERS, they were bread to be used in herding bull/cattle. Raising a terrier its really important to hike/walk/run with the dog multiple times a week. Lots of pullin exercises with a chew rope/ tough chew toy, multiple times a day. Fly ball, disc golf, agility games, etc are great things also to work out that primal drive.


The above's just one small example of a breed and it's specific requirements for a happy, healthy life. Every breeds different, and respond differently to different things, it's up to the responsibility of the owner/s to become knowledgeable and apply that knowledge to their dog/s and specifically their own life.

Dogs simply reflect what their leader/s exhibit, and over time those patterns start to stick, and before long, those negative patterns brought on by the owner/s start to become apparent in the dogs behavior.

The thing is, even severe case dogs can always be rehabilitated, whether it be weeks or months. Dogs dont live in the past dwelling nor do they look to the future in anticipation, they live RIGHT now and they look to a leader - point blank. And total success in rehabilitation doesnt completely fall on the person/place doing the rehabilitating, as it falls just as much on the owners after their dog is rehabilitated.

Dogs require a constant, consistent dialogue to lead a happy, healthy, balanced life. And once again..that type of dialogue will depend heavily on the specifics of the breed.

Sorry for the rant, im just really passionate about being knowledgeable when it comes to things, especially co-living with another being of totally different requirements. When a dog bites or consistently harms others, the owners should be the ones charged to the fullest extent, not the dog. If anything, the dog should be taken to a rehabilitation center and worked with, upon completing should be opened up for adoption or for sale via a store/shop/ad, paired with owners that are willing to do their homework for that specific breed.

Of course if i was in a complete life/death situation with an extremely aggressive dog and had to defend myself or another loved one, I would. All im saying is that people really need to educate themselves before taking on the life of another.

Not to get off track.

The above post about the spray sounds like a great alternative for a situation like this.

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Okay. So, bad dogs are a product of their environment... That's your contention? Of course they are. So what? So are bad humans, and I'll brain one of them with a shovel as well if they make like they're going to bite me. If that causes anyone here to lose respect, I guess I can live with the fallout. Just don't come at me with a menacing posture and keep your dog on a leash, and we'll likely not have any problems.

I guess I just see defending oneself is a pretty basic universal birthright, and the law of the jungle dictates that you either 1) fight harder, or 2) run faster than the animal that's attacking you, or 3) you're either going to be eaten or killed for its primal pleasure.

Now, I have no desire to fight with a dog (or a person, for that matter). Why would I? I'd likely end up getting bitten. I also had one as a kid (a dog, not a person), and he was my buddy, so I have no problem with them as a species (again, dogs, not people). But if one attacks me (or menaces my kid...), I'm coming at it with something stronger than moonbeams and understanding. Or I'm running away as fast as I can, if the situation is otherwise untenable.

I've run into this problem several times and I found a way to solve it with a bit of creative thinking. It works every time. I've recommended it to a few people and everyone that's tried has had success.

I used Pavlonian conditioning to gain control of the dogs mind. The first time I used this approach was with an aggressive Rottweiler that weighed more than I do. After a few weeks it became like putty in my hands.

I had a small bell that I used for the conditioning, I'd ring the bell when I saw the dog and throw it a bit of deli meat, after a few days whenever I rang the bell the dog would appear on my doorstep drooling. By this stage all the dogs aggression was gone completely, it saw me as this really cool bloke that gives food away.

Then I stepped it up and started training it, I taught it heaps of tricks using food rewards at first and then I tapered off the rewards and it basically became my dog. How cool is that a free watchdog that someone else feeds ?

The owner of the dog heard the bell one time and saw his dog charge over for his treat, it infuriated him. He was so worked up that he took a swing at me and the dog attacked him. Clearly this dog had more respect for me than it did for the owner. I find it's typical owners of dogs like this to have very limited understanding of dog psychology and as a result of the way they treat their dogs, the dogs just don't respect them.

I never saw that dog again, he built an escape proof enclosure for it after that.

I did it again recently with a pit bull cross I was having problems with, but this time I used a dog whistle because the guy who owns the dog would most likely react violently if he found out.

Smart solution to a difficult problem. Now lets say if you were to overreact and disable one of these dogs with a shovel, what possible reproccusions could you face?

We can all act like adolescent teenagers and use violence to solve our problems but what good is the solution if it just causes more problems?

You're right, dipshit. My bad. The next time I'm faced with the threat of immediate violence, I'll take a step back and consider the more evolved, mature response: long term Pavlovian training.

And just for the record, your attitude in this and every other thread you see me post in wouldn't have anything to do with my suspending you a year ago for making imbecilic, bald-faced claims about drinking and smoking mythological amounts of spice, now would it?



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Next time, I'll make sure to ring a little bell before I suspend you.

animals tend to act aggressively when they feel threatened. perhaps an explanation of how to approach an animal that is taking a threatened stance is in order. first you stand your ground, you don't run you don't act fearful or kick or hit or swing things. personally I always crouch down and offer my hand for the animal to smell. I move slowly deliberately and do not express myself as any sort of threat. most of the time this is enough for the animal to realize I am not a threat and we can proceed to begin cultivating a friendship or at least a mutual understanding, if the animal still acts malevolently then I use a stern voice to give it commands, pack leader mentalilty "no, down, bad, go home". 100% of the time these steps have been sufficient for me when encountering an aggressive animal. perhaps this may not be enough in certain cases and as a final resort something like one of those sound things end mentioned would be handy should one encounter the rare situation in which an animal will not back down. I've never had to engage in such an activity but the final resort if the animal actually did attack me would be a solid thwack to the nose but only on a self defense situation when the animal is actually attacking, which again has never once been the case for me when I approach the animal correctly.

to permanantly injure disfigure or kill an animal for acting like an animal or even think such a course of action is acceptable is disgusting, I find it difficult to believe anyone could or would act in such a dispicable manner, let alone someone who actually owns a pet. I reiterate, how would you feel if someone murdered or disfigured your pet?

There is a lot blaming of pet owners here and I do not disagree that a large portion of the responsibility lies with the pet owner, but there is a level of responsibility with the person as well, as with most things some simple education and common sense goes a long way in avoiding conflict suffering and violence.

now stop arguing about it and go love your furry friends you silly monkeys

PS sorry for the horrible grammar tablet typing sucks

Notice the parts in bold. Seems to me like two different situations Arty. You got a good memory, certainly better then mine. Thanks for bringing up that old post though, I was wondering why your name always stuck out to me when I saw it. I thought it was all the drugs I've done

You see arty, I live in a good ol fashioned major city. Threats of violence... shit man... happens all the time. If I took the time to respond like you did to every one of them... I probably wouldn't be here annoying you. Think about it.

Who keeps a shovel handy?!

They say sacrifice a forearm to keep it busy and take out its throat, throw it down on the neighbour's porch screaming "DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY...!?!?"

Oh, I don't know. Say someone has fallen for a DMT-Nexus April Fools Day prank and is on their way out to bury all their drugs. It could happen (or already has...).

Redguard, you're a knucklehead through and through. I'm not inclined to keep engaging you.

I actually like you Art. You remind me of someone I know very well Till we meet again

So it seems there's two sets of rules here, one for the mods and one for the peasants.

It's OK for art to call someone a dipshit but the rest of us are supposed toe the line and watch our attitude and language.

This is like any other boys club with an outward Utopian facade.

I couldn't give two fucks about the history or any other pissweak excuses. This is blatant double standards.

Nope. Seems like you didn`t read the attitude page closely enough.. Look at the bottom. Art is, ironically enough, our watchdog that is allowed to bark at anyone he pleases If you see other mods acting unfriendly or unfair, do let us know. And please mind the language



by the way, dreamer. What you say sounds fine in theory but reality isn´t so simple. I am about as non-threatening as a human being can get, I love dogs, always act as friendly as possible. When I was attack by those two dogs, I had done nothing wrong, and when they came charging I did try to act friendly, be calm, dont make any strong movements, and offer my hand. And you know how that helped? Not at all... One of them tried to bite my hand as I lowered slowly to their level and offered my hand for them to sniff.

What do you do once a dog is already attacking you? All the non-violence peacefullness in the world wont save you in some situations, sorry to say... So I´m really wondering what practical suggestions you can give for those cases when prevention isn`t an option?

If he ever barks at me I'm gonna hit him with a shovel.

I had no clue that so many Nexians weild shovels. We must have a lot of gardeners or a lot of dog smashers.

Soon we'll see articles about Lindsay lohan smashing dogs with shovels while on aya - while aimlessly spraying mace and ammonia

I"ve got a shovel.

My girlfriends neighbour has about five dogs and one of them is particularly fierce (so is her son). It has ravaged other dogs in the neighbourhood (so has the son, but people instead of dogs). Whenever we walk past it jumps up at the window and it always looks like it is going to come crashing through because it is a big dog. It is quite scary.
One day it was out on the raised porch as i walked past and it went for my head. I could feel it"s hot animal breath on my face and this developed into a stand off. After a few seconds i had a moment of clarity and ran back in to the girlfriend"s house in order to quickly draw the diagram shown below.



I showed this diagram to the dog and explained to it that each vertex represented a possible action that either of us could take resulting in an outcome that would affect the both of us.
The dog became rational and decided to let bygones be bygones. He never bothered us again. I do not know whether it was due to our strategic dialog or the fact that it became terminally ill soon afterwards.

I think you need to make the dog think that you and the owner are on the same side, since apparently the dog listens to its owner. The owner should smack the dog in the face when it shows aggression toward you.

It sounds cruel to hit a dog to teach it something, but I used to work with dogs, spending 9 hours a day in a room with 30-40 large dogs, and this is how they teach lessons to each other. You can yell at a dog all you want, but if it doesn't respect you, it won't care. When a dog crosses a line or breaks a rule in dog society, it gets bitten quick and hard, and it doesn't do it again. Hitting a dog isn't cruel as long as you follow the code of conduct that dog themselves live by.

Thanks everyone for your input. I did look into an ultrasonic bark deterrent among other things. Maybe I will try out a dog whistle first and see if that helps. I would be able to use it right away and with discretion.

I feel very strongly about animal rights and are a dog lover myself. But I will not accept either of the previous two situations happening again. If this dog challenges me once more it will find out very quickly it made a mistake.

I will so call animal control and warn them of the situation asap. Thanks for that suggestion. The neighbors are equally as awkward. They seldom walk the dog. Mostly they just let it out on the chain to go to the bathroom. No doubts there is misdirected energy there.

Hmmm. I wish you the best, for sure. Good luck! Dealing with these situations can be tricky, and sometimes require a level of delicacy that has not yet been expressed(in this thread) to leave all parties with minimal wounds.

So many of you are seeing this from only a masculine/patriarchy perspective.

Let's be real. An out of control dog can do a lot more than rip a few pieces of flesh out of a boy's leg (hero cat story) or attack a small toddler such that she needs a LOT of medical care and is TERRIFIED of all dogs until adulthood (my true story).

We live in a sick culture that won't even take time to try to re-educate and re-socialize super aggressive and violent humans. This will almost never happen for a dog when needed.

Meanwhile, out of control dogs can do a LOT more than put someone in the hospital and make them a phobic for half of their lives. Your ladyfriend is at risk for her safety and life in this situation and it is intolerable. In my opinion.

Out of control dogs KILL children and diminutive women. Just set google to track stories of this nature.

Thus, given the sick society we live in, we must have a ZERO TOLERANCE attitude for out of control dogs, for aggressive and violent dogs who's MASTERS cannot keep them under control.

They must be put down and their MASTERS MUST be punished immediately as soon as they hurt someone outside the family. Inside the family? Well, that's not my business, that's between the family members, their doctors, their vets, their trainers, etc.

Sounds like this particular dog has not attacked you or anyone you know. . . . yet. I would definitely report the off leash aggressive behavior in your neighborhood, even though it is in the past, to Animal Control.

Be careful. Strangely enough, Art's 'vacation' last year coincided with Ms. Lohan's treatment.

Who's to say Art isn't Lohan? Some say he/she is a long time financial contributor to the Nexus...