So, I finally found some MHRB and Syrian Rue yesterday. Because I had time and opportunity, I decided I would try it out in the evening. Off I went to prepare the brew...

Dosages

* 8g MHRB
* 4.6g Syrian Rue

Preparation

First, I poured 400ml of water into a stainless steel pot. Then I added the MHRB powder into it and brought it to a slow simmer. Added some lime juice. After most of the water has boiled off I added another 400ml of water and after that, instead of lime juice I used vinegar.

I repeated this step 4 more times (letting the water boil off and adding more of it w/ vinegar). The whole process took about 5 hours, which is more than I expected it would, but I was patient, willing to do it "right". If anyone is interested, I used this guide


After I added the last batch of water with vinegar I let the brew simmer down to about
200ml. Looking back, I should have seriously brought it down to something like 50ml... We live and learn I guess.

Consumption

When I came home at 9:00 PM I got out the Syrian Rue and ground it in a coffee grinder. Mixed it with some water, pinched my nose and drank it. It didn't taste that bad but boy was it bitter. The Rue went down at approximately 9:07 PM. Then I prepared myself a little by reaffirming why I'm tripping tonight, calming myself down for a better experience and all that.

I almost thought it wouldn't work when suddenly, at about 9:40 I started feeling light headed, my balance was off and I was rather confused. At one point I almost forgot what I was doing. The plan was to take the MHRB at 22:00 (exactly one hour after the Rue) but then at 21:50 I started feeling nauseous. I knew I needed to drink the MHRB now because if I wait longer I wont be able to keep it down.

So I got a clothes pin and stuck it on my nose. Poured some pineapple juice and got ready to drink 200ml of the brownest, sludgiest concoction I have ever seen. Well, I must say that it wasn't that bad, mostly because the clothes pin suppressed the taste, but DARN could I feel the bitter taste and the VINEGAR! I could only drink 50 ml at a time because my throat would close up. After each sip I took a big gulp of the juice to stop the gag reflex... Overall not as bad as I'd imagined, could have been worse I guess.

Now that everything was down I went and lied down and listened to some music for about half an hour (till about 22:20) to make the time pass. Then I shutdown the computer, ready for the experience to begin...

The Experience

Now from here on out I don't exactly know the times because I had no access to a clock, nor did I want to be bothered by such worldly concepts as time. Though there is a church not far from my home that rings it's bells periodically, so I used that.

Lying down, I felt an extreme calm manifesting inside of me. Everything was OK. I was just waiting for the effects to begin, reminding myself to be patient and to eliminate all expectations, just go with the flow.

At first nothing was happening, but slowly there were some very, very faint CEV manifesting, but in all honesty that could have been hypnagogic imagery. The church bells rang and it was 22:30. Patience, I said to myself. It could take up to an hour to take effect. In this time many thoughts rushed through my head, I can't really describe them, I was confused and starting to feel nauseous.

I should add that I was fairly confident that I'd be able to keep the brew down no matter what. In my teen years when there was a lot of binge drinking I was known as the guy who never, ever vomited. I had an iron stomach. I remember saying to myself "90% chance I wont throw up".

Church bells ring, 23:00. I start feeling something I haven't felt in a long time. It's the feeling that you're going to throw up and you know it's inevitable. Luckily, I planned for this 10% chance and had my trash bin ready by the bed. Soon it came and BAM. Purge. It was anything but pleasant, but when it was over, I felt all warm, fuzzy and content.

Still no DMT experience to speak of though, many people say that for them the experience starts after the purge, but not in this case. DESPITE this, I thought "even if this is all there is, it was still worth it". I really think the message of this was that not everything turns out the way you plan, you have to accept that and ride it out anyway. I felt happy.

Now if my memory serves me right I threw up one more time in the trash bin until my roommate came home and turned on the T.V., I moved to another part of the house that was more isolated so I can be in darkness and peace.

When I was on my way to the other room I turned on the light and noticed A LOT of tracers. This must have been from the rue. Quickly I turned off the light and proceeded to lie down in the other bed. I noticed something on the window there, it was a pattern, it looked like many cells lumped together. It was very, very faint.

From there on out I don't remember much of what I was thinking, I just know that no OEV/CEV or any other sort of sign that the DMT was working was present. But the journey was not yet over. I started passing gas like crazy and soon the stench filled the whole room.

Now I don't know if it was from the smell or it would have happened either way but I felt sick again. This time I had to get up and go to the bathroom sink. The first time this was no problem, the second time I barfed in my mouth, kept it in there and then released it. Yuck! I could also taste the Syrian Rue seeds when they came up. DISGUSTING. After 4 - 5 purges through the whole night, it was over.

I fell asleep and here I am.

Conclusion

I feel normal today, a bit of a headache, but that was probably from dehydration. I can conclude that I had more of a Rue experience than a DMT one. I am very apprehensive of doing such a thing again if there will be no effect. But maybe I'll change my mind.

What is really gnawing at me is the question of why the DMT didn't kick in. I see several possibilities:

* Errors in preparation
* Low quality MHRB
* Purged too soon? Remember, I purged 1 hour after consuming the MHRB tea.

If I'll ever try DMT again I'm pretty sure it will be doing an extraction and taking it that way...

What do you guys think, did I do something wrong? What could have been improved? Some help and guidance would be very appreciated.

Thanks for reading.

hello mishmash,

the brewing of your MHRB that was incorrect, you are supposed to remove the water after the boil and save it, then boil with fresh water, save that boil, and boil for a 3rd time.

Then you combine these 3 boils and reduce to a drinkable amount.

I would also drink them together or 10 mins apart.

you don't need to add any vinegar/acid, it will still brew up just fine.

I would also brew the rue seeds in the same way as the MHRB, this may reduce the nausea.

Lastly, 4.6g/8g is quite the dose for some people and an epic dose to others, if you try again I would reduce the amounts to 3g/5g.

good luck

I wouldn't take something if I thought it was going to make me sick. Swims recent venture with lsa was with a fairly proper extraction. When a small amount of nausea started to set in, swim was ready and chewed and swallowed a half clove of garlic, problem was solved (this works for lsa nausea). Being sick is no fun so why do it.

Swims understanding of inner root bark of a.confusa: First never get powered bark, get whole or shredded. Shredded it down into more manageable pieces by hand. Add it to a blender with some distilled water (no more then is needed). The water in the blender helps to keep the heat caused by friction down vs other dry grinders. Once finely chopped pore it into a jar with a lid. If the source material is rich, one only need to run a few hot water baths and some shaking to get a good initial pull. Swim understanding of maio's and drinkin the brew is non-existance since swim never has, but if one wants to go this route this should be all that is needed. No acid baths or reducing, however if one wants to get more bang for the buck and will be drinking it, try citric acid and a light simmer. Ph paper is cheap, set it to 3-4.

Strain plant material.. filter threw a paper towel.. then a coffee filter.. season for taste..


This is reckless imo, for the dosage can not be controlled.

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for responding!

Of course the dosage cannot be controlled exactly. That's pretty much the case with any plant material if you're taking it raw or preparing a brew like this. As to the why drink something if you're gonna get sick, well, I reckoned getting sick is part of the Ayahuasca journey.

By the way, would the same result be achieved if the water would be set to full boil instead of a light simmer? Last time it took 5 hours and while I can certainly manage some more time I would like to know if a slow simmer is necessary or would a full on boil do the trick just fine?

Thinking of repeating the experience with lower dosages and without the vinegar. I think that was a big reason of why I vomited. Though there is only one way to know for sure...

Others may well say that the sickness, purge is a healthy part of the experience. Its may well be, but if I ever decide to try maoi's, I will be ingesting DMT Fumarate along with it. Getting to the fumarate stage is a much longer process, so I can understand just drinking it, but I personally wouldn't.



3 - 1 hour 45 boils seems the standard. Others swear by cold water extractions and long soaks, freezing also helps to crack open the cells. Swim dose something in the middle. Long boils if you are in a hurry I guess, but heat seems imo to lower the quality, but I don't know that for a fact.



Save the acid bath for the second extraction, drink the first if thats what you want to do.

That's cool. Eventually, I want to do an extraction from my own P. viridis and smoke the spice obtained from it. Though the viridis is still in leaf cutting form so that's still a long way off.

I want to be a part of every step, from growing the source plant to extracting the magic. On the way though, might as well try all the other variations to get familiar. Thanks for the input.

Will try it a second time some day, maybe with a friend, with some modifications. Can't wait!

EDIT:

Looking through the forum a little bit more, I noticed this:



I saw that nasty sludge form and I totally mixed it up and drank it all down, thinking I would not tolerate being wasteful! Damn! Will surely try to filter that out next time. Should have thought about is sooner.

Oh I'm getting so worked up! Can't wait to try it again now with the modifications.

Good luck to you and your P. viridis!!


I'm tring to sprout from seed, but I dont know...