FASA should be able to percip DMT out of it, just like you can with xylene. After that, freebase and pull with acetone.

Is it worth SWIM's while to aquire some MEK and Heptane if he's going for the purest form possible?

Or can these results be achieved just by following the Tek detailed in this thread?

SWIM's already destroyed 100g of seeds 50g of which were probably pretty good quality. He has 100g coming in from a recommended vendor and really wants to make it work this time.

I've on;y been experimenting with 25g at a time, until I get something repeatable.

WS

So Soulfood, did pre-washing the ground up seeds before basifying, end up not being a good thing?
Or did the seed hit the fan at some other point during the process?

Sounded like a workable idea, I'm waiting for the postman to bring me more seeds to work with right now.
Made a pretty big order this time so I have enough to keep experimenting with.
Got couple of different strains too, to test repeatability, if I'm ever actually successful.

I noticed that like others have mentioned, the longer my yield sits, the darker it gets!!
I am keeping it in a small airtight (I think...) glass vile & it still seems to be oxidizing rapidly!!

Anyone know how to deal with this better?
Does it oxidize as rapidly when you are actually successful in extracting pure (clear/white) crystals?


WS

Can't be sure... the seeds looked pretty beaten up when they arived, however nothing worth noting came out of the FASA step. So I'm guessing the seeds were just very fatty and of little else.

aw nuts...I mean seeds...

WS

Are you talking about variety in yield, purity or both?

Also are people drying the initial basified material with heat or patience?

Mainly purity, I have had good yields with the seeds I've been using, although I've jacked things up a few times & lost most of those yields.


I wait until there are no more obvious wet spots (using patience + a small fan), then I put it in the oven @ 120F degrees to dry everything completely, back to a powder.
Also, while doing the initial drying, I usually stir the wet mixture around for a few minutes, then spread & flatten it out as much as possible on the glass dish I'm using. I also scratch a cross-hatch onto the surface of it with a paper clip, to get as much surface area exposed to the air as possible.
Then I let it sit, with the fan blowing indirectly at it for 5-10 minutes, before scraping it up, mixing it back together & spreading it back out again.
I'll do this over & over until it's no longer damp, then the oven @ 120 degrees, will dry it completely without burning, or messing anything up.


It seems a lot of folks might have lost interest in this tek, or at least trying to perfect it.
I'm still really interested in figuring out how to get pure, crystalline Bufotenine!!
When I started extracting DMT from Mimosa, the number of different processes had already been perfected, so I just had to learn how to replicate the reliable results that others had already figured out.
But I'm actually really enjoying the whole process of experimenting with this to see what will, or will not work out!!
Even though it's not exactly cheap...
However, the fact that at least two members of this forum have reported being able to crystallize pure Bufotenine, even if it was only one time, shows that it is possible to do it.
We Just need to figure out a process that will work every time...
And a way to keep it from oxidizing so fucking fast!!


WS

SWIM would continue working on this process..but hes run out of funds for more materials..such as acetone..the easiest way is to boil xylene..the cleaner way is to use MEK:heptane..but it has to be just perfect..because otherwise you get amber color in it..

perhaps a good way to do it is...do the xylene boil...and then after the bufo has precipped from that..do a d-limo boil..

SWIM is still very motivated, but he gave up with the limonene as it always 'failed' with dark sticky goo. SWIM guess this is because his limonene is only 90% pure (food grade).

SWIM prefer yet to explore with MEK+naphta+ammonia as it requires no heating. He will give a try to the xylene boil tough.

SWIM can't stress enough of letting the bufo dry out completely before scraping.

He did 1 limo boil, pour onto flat suraface. Waited 2 hours, poured off limo. Waited one hour then scraped. After a 2 hours the bufo went slimy.

Same process, different part of same batch and materials but with 12 hours between pouring off limo and scraping produced a much more solid product, which was chopped down to a dry powder. Looks the lighter side of brown but nowhere near tan. Not a pleasant smoke with barely threshold effects at 10mg.


So SWIM wants to try do some cleaning off this extract with a acetone:naptha mix. Could anyone recommend a good ratio for SWIM to use?

Hey man, If your want to avoid that slimy stuff even more, when pouring the D-Limo on the flat surface (glass dish) set the glass dish at an angle, so only one corner of the dish is touching the counter top. Then pour the hot D-Limo from the top of the angled dish.
As soon as the liquid hits the cool surface, the Bufo will immediately fall out & stick to the glass, the rest of the D-Limo will pool up at the bottom corner of the dish.
If there is any large pieces of precipitated Bufo floating in the liquid, I'll carefully pour the liquid along the sides of the dish to try & stick the floaties to another piece that is already stuck to the glass. But try not to let the cooling D-Limo soak into the precipitated extract, anymore than necessary.

I usually leave it sit with the D-Limo pooled in that corner for 30-40 minutes. Then pour it off into another container to discard later.
The D-Limo left has nothing you want left in, I've evaped it down after this process & got nothing but slimy oils!!

I'm actually about to do this process right now, I'll take a pic...


Cheers!

WS

Cool.

SWIM's currently got some bufo in vinegar and zinc. Hopefully that won't harm the mole, but I've been reading some and I've read that it's possible that much of the toxins could be bufo n-oxide.

About to filter out the zinc.

Could you explain this process a bit?

WS

SWIM's using the same process detailed in the DMT N-Oxide to DMT conversion tek found on the wiki.

He had his brownish bufotenine in the bottom of a glass, then added just a little more vinegar than needed to disolve the bufo. He then added a little more than the bufo's weight in zinc and stirred for 2 hours (well on and off for 3 or 4).

Then filter off the zinc and evap the vinegar.

I have no idea if this works for bufotenine, or even if SWIMs extract contains bufotenine n-oxide but I'll keep you informed of SWIMs results.

Evaporating now.

Isn't Vinegar a pain in the ass to evap?
And doesn't it leave behind some crap of it's own, it is not exactly a clear liquid?

I know using it to acidify the water during an Ayahuasca brew leaves a foul, bitter/sour taste.

WS

SWIM never had any issues with vinegar. It's much better to evap than citric acid. Plus from what I've read online this reaction is quite exclusive to Acetic acid and HCl.

Residue shouldn't be a problem once the goo is freebased and pulled.

Yeah I wouldn't use it in ayahusca.

SWIM has found that the best way to smoke bufotenine from this extraction method is to enhance some leaf..hes put it in his changa mix but the dose of it is a bit low..so next time hes gonna take it up to about 10mg per dose...instead of the 5mg dose...he also has some dmt in the mix that enhances the bufotenine and also the bufotenine enhances the dmt...plus some salvia..and caapi...its wonderful..he gets wonderful but mild visuals(he may be more sensitive than most) wonderful body high..and an amazing head space...

smoking pure bufo crystals would be nice...but while we work on the process..this is a great way to enjoy it..with no side effects because the joint takes a certain amount of time to smoke..he even adds some mj for filler..

its 350mg spice
80mg bufotenine
1.5g caapi
.5g calea
.5g salvia
1g wild dagga

and the dose that he uses is 250mg of the mix..added to some mj for filler...and then smokes it..like a normal joint..one to a person...and the resulting high is absolutely wonderful...the dmt helps the bufotenine entry..by throwing its own flavor and quicker come up..then slowly fades to the bufotenine..but the bufotenine holds the energy of the dmt...and then the salvia clears the headspace for some wonderfully clear thought processes..and the caapi calms and extends the experience

Once SWIM gets his extract how he wants it he's going to try a similar thing with:

30% bufo (maybe 20% depending on potency)
40% caapi leaves
20% damiana
10% pau d'arco

SWIM muchly prefers smoking leaf/herb to crystals.

He's just delighted to know someone has such a positive experience from bufot-o-changa. Very good news

Yeah, that sounds very cool!!
I'm thinking I'd leave the Salvia sitting in it's jar personally, but whatever floats your...head...!!

A friend & I recently dissolved 25mg of Bufo extract in around 5ml of acetone (just enough to soak it into the J completely) & used an eye dropper to drop the liquid onto a joint that we had previously rolled up.
This allowed us to control where the Bufo was, or was not soaked into the joint, so we were able to leave the end that goes in your lips clean.
We left about 1/4" of one end clean & slowly covered the rest of it evenly, let it dry out, dropped on more Bufo-tone until it was wet again, dried it, dropped more, etc...
Until the glass the bufo was dissolved in & the eye dropper were totally clean again.

A few hours later, (after the joint had been left to dry completely & it had also been put in a food dehydrator for a while, to make sure there was absolutely no acetone left in there!!!) my pal & I smoked it & the effects were very, very nice!!
I did not get full-on visuals, but there was that "bending" of my vision, mainly in the peripherals, that usually mark the beginning of slower-onset Tryptamine visuals for me.
The extract was not very pure, but there wasn't any side effects.
The body buzzing & tingling was absolutely lovely & the uncluttered thought process was quite nice as well!!

I'm getting more & more interested in trying some of these other herbs to experiment with enhancing with Tryptamine crystals, I usually just use MJ now & that is cool some of the time. Other times it's just a waste though, as the effects are just overpowered & muted.

I have a big-ass bag of Mullein that is OK, but it's a bit harsh...
I've smoked some, little harsh & tastes "burnt", ya know. MJ doesn't really taste like burning plant, in comparison anyway...
I've also made a nice Chamomille-like tea with it a few times, but if I'm making/drinking tea, I really like Ilex Guayusa tea much, much more!!
Any other suggestions for use fellas?


Cheers!

WS