Third time was last night. Loaded 30mg in my machine. Decided I would take advice from another thread I've followed lately and held the flame about a inch away from the tip of the machine to where the flame pulled inside but never made contact with the chore boy.

I found that on my first.pull I wasn't getting anything from it so I moved the flame closer. It didn't start producing vapor until it made contact with the mesh. I found this odd as I was told just the hot air being pulled through would be enough to vape it. By the time vape started coming I was almost out of breath. I held it and tried again.

Second pull, same thing but this time I put the flame close enough to the mesh almost immediately after realizing not.touching the mesh with the flame wasn't working. Got a good hit,held it and tried for hit three.

It was starting to feel weird so I gave in as I was also really out of breath. Immediately I started hearing and feelogn the sound of a spring is all I can describe it as and my vision was spiraling into yellow and purple.neon colors as if my whole.being was being sucked into s vortex by some sort of presence that was very familiar.

It was the same presence I felt was trying to drive me mad on an LSD trip over ten years ago. Something told.me I was going to be here forever. And I started to panic a little bit. It was as if the trip wasn't going to go and away. My body felt so weird as if I lost the ability to discern my body from the rest of reality like k was melting Into the cosmos. It was like an entity was trying to pull me into this space of zaniness , child like,playful ,and down right insane.

This was a very different experience from my first two trips as my mind was effected and I felt a familiar fear as I've felt on LSD in the PST. I think k reading reports here colored the experience as before I had no sense of being lost in the space forever as I did this time.

I'm seeing now how this molecule.can really fuck.with your mind.

However back to technique. It seems as if I only get good vapor with the machine if I heat the neck from under neath or pull the flame into the mesh. I've been told.holding the flame.far enough sway to where just best is pulled in and flame.never touches the mesh is the best but I could not get vape trying.like this.

My first two time and this one when I put the flame on the mesh I get huge hits.

Can anyone relate or help with technique or comment on this experience

Dmt experiences can be truly strange, my last experience with it around a month ago, I smoked around 40mg in changa and I felt like I blacked out or forgot what happened but when I came back I had no idea what was going on, I didn't know who I was and I felt like I'd been tricked and abandoned by someone (which I believe to be my sense of self) and I just felt very unhappy and betrayed.

How were you feeling before you smoked? my only bad experiences have been when I've not given dmt the respect it deserves in one way or another, whether it's getting my life to a good place for the experience or just not properly preparing for the trip.

When you vape the dmt do you heat it for a while before you start toking? and how fast are you drawing air? if you're toking too early then you're just cooling down the dmt before it's getting the chance to vaporize. Have you tried smoking changa or infused leaf? I had around 5 experiences with vaped dmt before I moved over to changa, I had a few near breakthroughs with vaping but I usually just found that I was unable to judge the positioning of my lighter and my pipe as things started getting visual. Changa on the otherhand is much more forgiving in terms of technique and I tend to be able to get my whole dose in one hit fairly easily.

Good luck on your next attempt.

I hold the machine vertically with the flame about an inch under it for a minute until.I see smoke forming. The IDD thing is that it never forms I side the machine but just comes out if the mouthpiece.

Then I start to hit it slow steady inhale but as I said it doesn't work till I move flame close enough to touch mesh

I'd like to add that as soon as I began feeling the effects on this trip it was the sound of this spring boing boing type of thing. My vision and body where tied into this sensation as if it all overtook my whole awareness. This presence or whatever it was, I could not see, though I know what it looks like. Its as if everything I was experiencing at once was the being itself.

It was as if my whole reality was slipping apart and everything was made of this presence. In the sense that I felt as is all sound , vision, body, etc was made up of this thing. It was like an infinite amount of these things that composed reality yet it was also one thing.

Way too hard to describe in language. But it was odd unlike my first two trips as soon as I started to sense this presence I knew I did not want to experience what was happening.

Man this stuff is weird as hell. So much weirder then anywhere LSD has taken me. And the crazy thing is that due to trying this new smoking method and the lower dose I feel like I didn't even get much in me.

I've heard that once you get deeper in the DMT space fear or resistance is less likely to pop up. Is this true. I feel like this time I didn't get as far as my second trip yet I disliked how this trip felt.

It was sudden recollection of this presence and not wanting to deal with it. It wasn't laughing at me but its like I could feel that it was getting joy off of showing me just how out of my mind this substance can make me. It was Looney zanie insane coocoo all of that and it loved where it could take me and show me.

Man oh man just getting started with this stuff and I know next time I will be reluctant. This time I was kind of afraid going in from some.of the reports I've read here and I think I got in my own head too much and it took me to a crazy place.